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New Steam study alleges that Valve's store is home to extreme right-wing "wars" (www.pcgamesn.com)

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[–] Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 18 hours ago

The forums are to be avoided. You can't even have an honest non-political discussion in them because it is filled with immature asshole trolls with somehow too much time on their hands. I'm permabanned from Steams official forums because of just suggesting we get rid of the jester award. Cue in legions of fuckheads storming in 16 pages worth of my reviews and flagging nearly all of them with jester awards. Fuck that shithole.

It's even astounding how one of the trolls, was married and has a kid. What a life that guy has to find so much time to be an asshole online while having a family. "Uh sorry honey, I'm too busy owning someone online because they had an opinion I don't like, I'm not going to have dinner with you tonight."

[–] Tracaine@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I've never considered even using the forums and am only vaguely aware of them. It's a store, not a social platform. I buy my games, I run the games. Anything else is...kind of weird honestly.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Steam workshop's always awesome, I use those forums for bug reports. Modders tend to be chill people.

[–] daggermoon@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

no shit, the forums are cancer

[–] missingno@fedia.io 54 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Steam Forums are one of the worst hellholes I've seen on the modern internet, and Valve does nothing. Any game that gets declared a target by the post-Gamergate crowd ends up having its board seiged until it's unusable for any kind of actual discussion.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Valve's hands-off philosophy with almost all of their social components is one of those massive double-edged swords, as anyone who trades steam items will tell you as well.

It allows anyone to take charge in participation, but that's EVERYONE, including those who enjoy belittling others, which sucks.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Don't the developers have moderation capabilities?

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 day ago

Yes, but they are almost never exercised unless it involves legal requirements - Valve's ideals are very much "We will not bother anyone unless we have to", which is nice for people who want to forge spaces but sucks when people show up to be shitheads.

[–] Alcyonaria@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Valve could easily fix it by making game discussions default to owners only, but they've always been a shitty company so they dont bother

[–] Nephalis@discuss.tchncs.de 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If they would, no one could ask anything pre purchase.

But I also don't like the forum in there because of the bad atmosphere. Also I don't know whether it is because of a special group or because the general communication style in games is toxic, dumb, aggressive and egoistical as fuck... Like in almost every ingame chat.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it's just the games you play I've just had a look at the town to city forum, and it's fine, as to be expected.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 22 hours ago

Yeah, to me the Steam forums seem like one of the least toxic "gamer" spaces online.

[–] Alcyonaria@piefed.world 1 points 1 day ago

Every discussion board has several categories by default General/bugs/events/trading Simply moving the default category or locking it massively decreases trolling and appropriate category use. The main problem with discussion trolling is that valve never deals with the rampant spam bots or people who continually post egregious material. I've seen bots last years posting update edits on every large game news post. The only way to fix it is to lock it to game owners/account age/community engagement. But valve will never do this unless it negatively affects their image because their leadership have become deluded weirdos (exempting art lead and gabe newell)

[+] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip -7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I understand the importance of actually performing rigorous studies (haven't checked their methodology) but... no fucking shit?

GabeN is a pretty established Libertarian Tech Bro and Valve only moderates to the bare minimum requirement. Of course chuds are going to thrive under those circumstances.

Its why I STILL laugh my ass off when people go on an anti-Epic rant about how EGS doesn't have forums or whatever. Like... you REALLY telling on your ass if you think the steam forums are something anyone should want more of.

I dunno. I increasingly think the answer is to burn it all down (on a lot of subjects). The idea of going to the store to ask questions or get recommendations feels like one of those "remember yesteryear?" that never actually happened. I NEVER had a good experience talking to a sales person in a Circuit City or Electronics Boutique (I'll never stop being annoyed over going to pick up KOTOR 2 on launch day and having to tell the cashier, five different times, that I would not be buying WoW or Starcraft...).

Back in the day? I looked at boxes and if the price was right just got it. Otherwise I read through PC Gamer or EGM to find out what games were good.

These days? I look through the store front and if the price is right, I do a quick skim of the review scores and get it. Otherwise I have a few influencers I "trust" to review/showcase games for me. What IS new is that sometimes I go to a message board (generally reddit for volume) and ask if someone can point me at a youtube that goes deeper into a feature. But even that isn't dissimilar from a schoolmate who probably became a neo nazi who couldn't stop talking about how good IL-2 was.

So get rid of all the social media bullshit attached to store fronts and just require devs to put a link to their social media of choice for reporting bugs or whatever.

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Like… you REALLY telling on your ass if you think the steam forums are something anyone should want more of.

idk man I only use them when a game isn't gaming right and there's usually some posts about how to get the game to game correctly, sometimes even posts by the devs, let's not pretend it's *all* /v/ shit

[–] missingno@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, there's definite value in having these boards to ask questions. It just... needs moderators to be more proactive in dealing with bad actors.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Wonder if having the game dev for their category on the steam forum have moderator status would be a good medium (could promote staff or community members to mod status)