I like how "american farmers" sounds like helping the little guy. No. Just another corporate bailout, nothing to see here.
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Liberal America still envisions old dudes in overalls growing carrots in a small field, a single tear rolling down their cheek as their 6 children look on with empty bowls.
Rather than almost completely industrialized corn factories producing the raw materials for overseas ethanol production.
That view is confined to liberals?
No, but middle-class liberal america are still the country's actual breadbasket, and the ones who are most easily influenced with simplistic imagery and narratives, so that's who these stories are designed to appeal to. It would really, really twist official narratives if America broadly realized that some industries get socialism and others don't.
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exactly. I would rather see all incentives removed and let those companies choke on their land grabs.
Slinging that welfare to the farmers. SSDD.
Fuckin welfare states. Pick yourselves up by the bootstraps you fuckin "without us America is nothing" fuck boys. I'm tired of these red states hurting people and still getting handouts.
I always have to laugh when I'd see people online arguing for rural areas/rural states and getting chapped about states being called "flyover states". They'd start with that "but WE supply your food! The people in the cities would starve without us!"
WTAF. Get outta here with that shit. First of all, most of what I eat comes from Mexico and California. Secondly, it's not as if these people are supplying food out of a sense of altruism. They act like they are really doing something truly noble and everyone else should bow and scrape over their racist bullshit because of that?
These people are going to really not know what to say as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea). I know for a fact that full, end-to-end automation is a goal of the coal industry and it sure as hell is one for farming, too, as I saw a presentation on it being made several years ago. In any case, it's going to be hard for these morons that happen to live near corporations extracting food from the land act like they should call the shots on how most Americans live their lives.
These assholes have been unable to deal with the reality that most Americans live in cities and have for quite some time....they just have not caught up. But these people think a minority are "real murica".
as automation really, really starts taking flight for these kinds of jobs (why we started applying AI to things like white collar jobs first I have no idea)
They are, though? And it has massively changed the dynamics in agriculture. They just don't make headlines because they're technical behind-the-scenes stuff
It's something that annoys me a bit when everyone started talking about AI, but only really a small part of it, and then thinking that's the be-all-end-all of the field. It never was, and still isn't. People just don't know about the rest, and don't read up on it either
Side note: farming is an area where the "Internet of Things" is used extensively as well, but when people think of IoT, they similarly only think about smart homes. Same problem as well
I watched a talk given about the mining industry (and this was pre-2023 by many years - that's the year a whole lot of Americans seemed to wake up to "AI" being a thing outside of sci-fi) seeking to automate things end-to-end. Especially as they want to extract things in places that are more and more remote, having human involvement is very expensive.
So that was the extractive industry, talking to itself in frank terms; meanwhile, you had Donvict in his first term doing lots of performative bullshit (remember all the assholes screaming at journalists to "learn to code" when they were being laid off? Pretty sure that originated in stupid talking points related to miners) about "the miners" - the very miners the extractive industry wants to entirely eliminate.
I have no doubts that the agriculture is seeking to do the same and there are probably places where similar talks have been/are being given. I know that things like having GPS guiding the machinery is already a given. I know there were already pilot programs for automation in things like, say, picking strawberries.
It's rather ironic given where things are likely going - it seems like neither Republicans nor Democrats have really copped to the stark near-term realities on such things...
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A government handout? Lazy no good farmers taking my taxes. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Stop buying Starbucks. And most importantly, stop voting for gop pedophiles.
Fuck those guys. Taking money from the blue states. Get a real job.
Stop growing avocados and making toast!
They say you have to bury a farmer 10 feet down to prevent their arm from popping out of the ground to collect another handout.
Ah, the good old socialist handouts!
For this large of a bailout, my groceries should be free.
While the MAGAt fucks continue to cry about SOCIALISM.
Don't worry 90% of it will go to Cargill, ADM, Tyson, Smithfield, John Deere, and Bayer/Monsanto.
All the remaining small farms will fight over the scraps and then get bought out by one of the first four, depending on what they farm...or be entirely under the thumb of the other two.
That was really the idea all along. Consolidation of wealth and power.
I'm guessing most farmers will be allowed to stay in their homes and manage their fields while the big ag companies take all their yield and pay out a meager salary.
They'll call it "franchise farming" or something catchy, but it's really gonna be Indentured Servants 2.0.
JD Vance has investments in companies that buy out farms from farmers. He says the farms will continue to be run by experts (ie the farmers he bought the farms from)
AcreTrader is the company
Corporate Sharecropping
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We paid out 20 billion dollars to Argentina, fucked over a bunch of American soy bean farmers in MAGA country and so he's paying them another 10 billion to not turn on him. Cool.
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What about everyone else’s wallets that have been hurt by his decisions?
Bail them out now, and then what? Their international customers aren't coming back if they already found comparable trade partners elsewhere, and the non-billionaires here are tapped out from high food prices. Won't they just need another bailout sooner than later?
It’s actually quite simple. Bail them out now, wait for the midterms. Let the farmers go bankrupt next year so mega corporations buy up their foreclosed fam land. Then the mega corporations and billionaires get to privatize the profits and socialize the loses. There’s no better investment than that.
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It's okay guys, Trump has gained 17 TRILLION from tariffs. Biden? 1 Trillion, Trump, 17 trillion in 8 months! Imagine that!
/dripping with orange sarcasm
No, this is yet another bullshit excuse to feed money to the already wealthy megacorps that are in the Ag business. Small farmers won't get a damn thing, just like last time.
Welfare queens
Last time it cost us $26 billion because of his stupid tariffs. Why can't he just go play golf
They should just do this monthly, but have regulations to figure out how people can not abuse it, but then you need offices and checks and balances... Maybe even government agencies....Wait a minute....
Like, all jokes aside, as reckless as this all is, at least maybe they DO get there?
I think I heard some woman politician on an older podcast episode from Thom Hartmann who was talking about sitting down with conservatives in her state and why they voted for Donvict, even though they knew he would start another trade war that would harm them - they figured he would just bail them out again.
There is a video of a farmer saying the same thing. They knew they would get bailed out.
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No. Let them fail. Show us the actual results of your asinine "free market" policies for once.
Socialism!
2 terms, 2 bailouts for farmers.
You mean make the US taxpayers pay them instead? Get one of his buddies he had fleece the stock market to the tune of hundreds of billions pay for it. Fuck these guys. I'm not paying federal tax these next four years.
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Cause the problem.
Use tax payers money to fix it.
And then he’ll take credit for fixing it.
Sooooo much winning everywhere!
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