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Private data tells the story Washington won’t: Jobs are disappearing (mronline.org)

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[–] dhork@lemmy.world 137 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This totally makes sense. Trump thinks that his tariffs are a weapon to get foreign companies to invest in manufacturing in the US. But, all they really do is make procurement in the US a nightmare. Then, add a hostile environment regarding obtaining visas for employees into the mix, and foreign companies end up severely curtailing their investment in the US. Less investment means fewer jobs.

I think history will look to that immigration raid on the Hyundai plant as a turning point. Before that raid, many companies might have taken Trump seriously when he said that he was encouraging investment in the US. But that raid proved that foreigners will always be seen as "others" by this government, never as a full partner.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 74 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

No reasonable company would send their citizens to work in the USA when there is every possibility that they could be indefinitely detained or "deported" to some third world gulag at the whim of the Trump administration.

[–] comrade_twisty@feddit.org 56 points 3 weeks ago

German and Swiss multinationals are very reluctant to send employees to the US for meetings or conferences already, and that’s just the beginning.

[–] WildPalmTree@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'd go, but you would have to pay me for the risk, insure me over the ears and have a lawyer on standby.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yup. No one is going to invest many many millions into building production capability, especially for bottom tier commodities like furniture or raw steel, based on the whims of one extremist administration.

[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 100 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

A newly revealed memo from the Office of Management and Budget claims that federal workers forced into furlough during the ongoing shutdown may not receive back pay once the ordeal ends. In open defiance of the law, the administration argues that the 2019 Government Employee Fair Treatment Act does not automatically guarantee wages to workers sent home or ordered to labor without compensation. The government that once promised fairness has now declared that those who serve it may be discarded. This is not confusion. It is control.

Eventually people are gonna decide that working for free sucks and they just won't come in.

[–] Sausagecat@lemmy.world 82 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sadly, that is the point. Part of project 2025 is to remove as many workers as they can and when a position needs to be filled, make sure it's a loyalist. This is just the means to an end for the fascist.

[–] rayyy@piefed.social 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

when a position needs to be filled, make sure it’s a loyalist

Mostly inept, incompetent, stupid loyalists.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's like the Dead Sea Effect with steps on the end.

[–] Zanathos@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Learned something new today, thank you internet stranger.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We can let the seats be empty and stop them from filling it with anyone if the government stays shutdown and we also get the benefit of the armed forces and ice not being paid so they will stop kidnapping people

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

Are you kidding? That's their fucking dream job. They'd even pay just for the privilege. Fucking pigs

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Should be minute 1. Unpaid work is slavery

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No it's not. It's wage theft, plain and simple

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's wage theft except the part where they're forcing them to work.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

They could just quit. For some positions, you can't strike, which is bullshit enough, but you can just say fuck you I quit

No one will put you in chains and lock you to your desk, it's not legal to retaliate

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah sure, everybody CAN just quit.

"It's not legal to retaliate"? Motherfucker when has this administration cared about what's legal, they're talking about making people work and then not giving them back pay.

Even before the trump administration's it's not as if the labour market was fair lol.

Why are you going to bat for people trying to enslave workers exactly?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 4 points 3 weeks ago

Because, motherfucker, I want them to quit. They are not slaves to the state, and when things break because of their absence that's great politically

And we have a name for this already - wage theft. I hope every employee, furloughed or still working, puts forward a lawsuit

I'm not about to pressure people to quit because the job market is hell right now, but I'm sure as hell going to remind them it's an option

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You also give up your pension and ability to work for the government again. Thinking of ATC specifically, where you won't ever be able to work in your field again in the US (and it's very rare to be able to continue working in ATC in another country)

That's a tough ask when economic conditions are so unstable

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

It is a tough ask, especially now, which is why I'm not asking. I do think it's unreasonable to ask

But I'd like to remind the people in that position that it is an option. People tend to dismiss options they should seriously think through...It's not an easy option, but it might be worse than the alternative

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

gee I wonder why air traffic controllers are getting sick.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

It's perfectly valid, and expected, that ATC would call in sick if they so much as didn't sleep well. One mistake could cause the deaths of hundreds of people. Sean Duffy did threaten them with firings if they call in sick, but the policies didn't change

I'd say the vast majority calling in sick legitimately are unfit to work. The stress of non-payment is not conducive to that type of work, especially when their wages have fallen ~40% relative to inflation over the past 20 years

[–] manxu@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

I think the worst part is that Trump openly flirted with paying only the people he likes - his MAGA folks, and only the parts of government he likes. You work on wind turbine safety? No pay for you.

[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

All of this is just part of their plan to drastically shrink the government to a size where you can drown it in the bathtub.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can we throw a toaster in there too?

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago

i'll get an extension cord

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Dude. I and a couple of friends have been job hunting and actively applying for tons of positions for months and none of us have been able to land jack squat. This job market is a rolling disaster

[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago

I've been hearing this for over 2 yearS where i live. It's ROUGH. I'm trying to hold onto my job as long as i can, the only places hiring around here are retail for cashiers and fast food places for $13 an hour at most.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I can say that its not because demand for labor isn't out there. But the actual process of matching employers and staff has been a train-wreck for a while. My HR department gets thousands of applications a day that are pure spam. We get deluged with solicitations from headhunters who serve up any warm body with a half-written resume. I can point to half a dozen people we did hire who were hired and gone inside a few months, because they were either incapable of doing the work or just fucking around looking for the next rung on the ladder.

There's a certain paralysis that comes with trying to find candidates in a river of shit. In the end, we tend to pull directly from college through our Analyst Development Program or through contractors without non-compete clauses, because its easier than fishing in the scams pond.

When you do find people qualified in the wild, its like hitting a gold mine. The folks who have been on-boarded successfully will often bring on two or three people behind them, simply because managers trust them to find like-minded and like-talented people.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've never had the fun of interviewing or sifting through applicants and I don't think I'd miss it if I never get to do so

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's the kind of work that's handy to add to your CV if you're looking to try and climb the management ladder. And there's definitely redeeming virtue in having a voice in the room when its time to select your future coworker.

I've had the pleasure of on-boarding a few people at my office who might not have made it if I hadn't said "This person is great, they actually know the finer points of writing a SQL script and managing a file system". And I've cold-shouldered a few people who knew all the business words to say but had no practical experience in IT.

So, sucks in the moment, but getting to vet the people who are working with you over the next 3-5 years can pay dividends long term.

[+] frog_meister@lemmings.world -8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

So I'm currently working as an independent contractor for a previous employer, and I'm around mid-career in IT so right now I can be picky. I've been applying to everything that's around my current skill and experience level and not an MSP so there's about 5-10 listings per week for me to apply to, but I'm also competing with 100+ applicants on every application

I have one friend who's around entry-mid level IT career and another who's just trying to land some kind of entry level office role having several years of retail experience and some office experience. None of us have the skills or experience to make blue collar work even make sense to persue (and my experience trying to repair some plumbing at home suggests I should never do plumbing. Heck the shelf I put up 6 months ago is already falling down so any kind of power tool work is clearly not my forte)

[+] frog_meister@lemmings.world -14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

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[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The fuck are you even trying to argue?

I've told you where I'm at in my career, that I currently have work that I enjoy to keep the bills paid but it's not full time employment so I've been job hunting trying to secure full time employment, and you're here telling me I need to drop my entire career and go work in a factory or go into construction or whatever and start my career over at square one for what's probably a temporary market condition?

I literally shared my experience job hunting as an anecdote of how horrible the job market is right now. I'm not asking for advise in how to shift into a career in welding. I'm just saying it's a really tough job market!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You were just saying you couldn’t find a job, and now you’re saying you can be picky?

:-/

I see this all the time on social media. Folks love to only tell half the story. I straight up linked someone here to our job listing board and they said "Texas? Nope, I'm in Arkansas." And all I can think is "How the fuck are you expecting to find IT work in a tech desert like that?"

You want a cushy desk job. It’s not that there aren’t jobs

I mean, if you're an IT professional, you're going to want IT work. "I see you've got 10 years working in C# and Python on your resume, how does this qualify you to pour cement or turn a wrench?" is the response I'm going to get as a 40-year-old gunning for... what? An apprenticeship in construction? Maybe I can work as a short-order cook? Come on, dude. Somehow I doubt they're offering jobs in my payscale, either.

There are plenty of blue collar jobs where they train you on site.

For $15-25/hr, maybe. The work is sporadic, the hours long, and the A/C of dubious nature.

And telling this to a CPA or a Database Admin or a back office HR manager? There's zero skills crossover here.

I'm more annoyed by the folks who insist they can't find a job, then doggedly insist it needs to be within a 10 minute commute of a Denver suburb. I'm at least a bit more sympathetic if you're underwater on your mortgage and staring down monumental rental costs at your destination (fuck California, entirely). But there are folks who won't budge even in their own fields. This goes way beyond asking an inside sales guy for Microsoft or a rocket scientist at NASA to go pick cotton in Alabama because the job exists.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

President Trump offered no compassion, only contempt.

And water is wet.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Trump always had that 'ruthless cold calculating vindictive asshole' as part of his persona since forever. How could anyone think he has any compassion for anyone or anything?

Edit: even his pardons were done entirely for his proven jackbooted thugs, like the Jan 6th rioters who have proven that they are willing to fight and kill on his behalf. He needs them to do whatever bidding he will have in the future.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

But the department of labor says everything is awesome now.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

As a resident of the west coast I was confused for a good 2 seconds about what my state had to do with this data.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dude so I live in Wisconsin which has a capital building that looks identical to the one in DC save for having 2 more wings than DC's. There's been news articles that say "such and such happened at the capital" never specify which capital, and have an ambiguous photo that could be either DC or Madison, and I just have to shrug and go "I guess I'll learn later if that's local news or national"

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

The struggle is real! However, if you look closely, the U.S. capitol has a row of oval windows inset in its dome that the Wisconsin capitol does not have.