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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 70 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Here’s a photo of the SS dragging a polish Jews out of their homes.

[–] VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

That's a screenshot of the video.

Exact Same Thing.

[–] lettruthout@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Paramilitary is such a benign word for unconstitutional thugs.

[–] CubitOom 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Disagree, I think paramilitary would be the legal definition of what theses hyper-militarized amature unconstitutional thugs are.

However if you have a better word that can be used to explain all of that in one word in a legal framework, then I'll start calling them that.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nazis, SS, Schutzstaffel, villains, criminals, thugs, they all work.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] munsking@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 14 points 3 weeks ago

I believe the word is "Nazi"

Glad I could help.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 3 weeks ago

Over 55 years ago we had kent state. It will happen again if this continues. The national guard members that shot innocent people were acquitted by a bunch judge. Always keep that in mind, no one was held responsible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just gas out the whole block, sure why not. Fucking assholes acting like rabid dogs.

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 5 points 3 weeks ago

They don't even know how to properly use their own weapons. Anyone can get a job helping ICE do shit with barely any experience.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Hypothetically, how do you render these tear gas things useless. Can you bring a bucket of water and throw it in there?

Edit:

Guys check out a video I found

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vurZOkcJb5c

[–] brunchyvirus@fedia.io 19 points 3 weeks ago

I saw one a while ago from the Hong Kong protests of someone using a thermos, with some liquid in it looked pretty efficient

[–] rowinxavier@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Traffic cone on top of the canister, bottle of water down through the top. Drowns the canister and deprives it of oxygen, ending the reaction.

That said, if you put it in a bucket of water you need to submerge it and the gas can be caustic, so wear gloves with good coverage and chemical resistance.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 5 points 3 weeks ago

Make sure the traffic cone doesn't have nubbins on the bottom because that'll leave gaps for the water to escape.

[–] teft@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

They aren’t caustic. If they were they’d melt your skin from exposure to the smoke. You wear gloves (nomex or something similarly heat resistant) because the grenades are really fucking hot. You don’t want to cook your booger hooks on a grenade casing.

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago

During the Hong Kong protests, people brought tennis rackets to fire them back. Some people had oven mitts to grab and throw/move them, and they'd put it in a bucket of water or put a traffic cone on it and pour water in.

[–] teft@piefed.social 3 points 3 weeks ago

I was a soldier who had to train with tear gas every six months.

Carry bottles of water and empty buckets with you. Also bring fireproof gloves. The grenades are extremely hot so you don’t want to pick them up bare handed. Once you’ve got the grenade drop in in the bucket and dump water on it until it is submerged. CS gas breaks down in water so this should neutralize most of the gas.

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

When are Americans gonna use that second amendment they keep insisting they need assault rifles for?

[–] TheOneAndOnly@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Shooting back would give The Dump the justification he needs to enact martial law... Which, ultimately, is what he wants. I'm not a gun person, but I have guns, and my immediate response is to fight fire with fire... But I know what bait looks like...

[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Just trying so hard to get people to shoot back so he can use the insurrection act.

[–] TheOneAndOnly@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

You got it.

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Crazy footage from Chicago, Belarus.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nothing like that is happening in Belarus though?

[–] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

When there were protests a few years ago and the government was close to a colpase, you often saw videos of people getting dragged into an unmarked van by whoever. It's kind of "the last real dictatorship" of Europe.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

Our government has gone rogue. It no longer serves the people. It no longer pays it's employees. It is defunct. It is time to rise up and restore order.