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Yea the shitposting has steadily increased. That is probably to be expected on a platform that is also steadily increasing.
However please don’t let the trolls think they turn this into the failure that is now Reddit.
Instead just call out the bullshit for what it is and carry on.
While Lemmy might be getting a larger variety of personalities, some of them being jerks, I still find it a far more pleasant place to be than reddit.
I think part of it at least is reaching a critical mass.
Lemmy was definitely a collection of relatively like-minded geeks at the start. Even when we disagreed on issues, we all agreed that we needed to work together to make the community grow.
Now that it's grown to a respectable size, there are more dissenting opinions as well as less tolerance for dissent; and more to the point, there is space for absolutely vile content that used to get choked out. Now to stop this sort of thing, the 'old-timers' are more likely to say "shut the fuck up, sit the fuck down, and behave!!!' before they can get a solid foot hold.
Meanwhile, the worst of those people are feeling both entitled and persecuted, and shouting their garbage louder than ever.
This happens everywhere that gets to a certain size. I remember when reddit stopped feeling like a secret community and more like a warehouse.
Of course, there are other reasons that people have mentioned below: The world is tired, worn out, and PISSED OFF at the half that disagree with them. The president of the United States has broken every rule of diplomacy, grace, and civility that people tended to follow in social life. Social Media has made it far easier (too easy) to dehumanize people and turn them into a one-dimensional pastiche of their posted opinions.
And we're facing the destruction of the planet, genocide, and the global resurrection of fascism.
The world is getting worse, I'm afraid. I really wish it wasn't true and I spent a lot of time emphasizing the good to my mom before she died; but honestly, it's getting worse.
Well said, thank you.
Excuse me?! Are you saying I'm negative?! Are you trying to start a fight with me, bro?! I am THE, I mean THE most positive, fun and likeable person on THE internet, bro. THE.
Idk, world events got me raging nonstop and I'm sure I'm not the only one. But I'm trying to reset.
It's not a Lemmy thing. People (at least here in the States) are feeling anxious and defeated about the state of the world. That shit makes people irritable. Irritable people are prone to lashing out at anything that trips over their last nerve.
My wife works for a nonprofit that focuses on providing services to families with children who have emotional or intellectual needs. She told me she's witnessed more meltdowns from parents these last 6 months or so than she's seen in her 15+ years in the field.
Exactly, it's not just lemmy, and it's not just the US either.
Essentially it's late stage capitalism, the root of all our recent discontent in the past 30ish years. Enshittification of everything...
The Americans are getting hostile... And I can't blame 'em.
It seems hostility is the norm across most social media.
No, fuck you
/j
Jarcasm?
Lately? Were you not here during elections when a bunch of kids were accusing everyone of supporting genocide?
"Republicans are fascist"
"I know. That's why I'm voting Democrat."
"Democrats aren't real leftists"
"I'm aware but this isn't the time for purity politics."
"Democrats support genocide."
"And Republicans don't?"
"Both sides are equally bad so voting is dumb. Don't vote."
"Listen, I've got friends and family with skin in this game. Both parties fucking suck but you know what really sucks? Having a fucking fascist dimwit who thinks your cousin is subhuman because she was assigned male at birth as your president."
"So you support genocide? Typical libshit."
"Ok, then what is your alternative?"
"You would know what it is if you read this dry, arcane horse shit about the reification of contemporary autonomous groups in Third World popular movements."
Nailed it! That’s damn near a perfect representation of ever conversation with them.
I think it's still like that, actually.
It’s actually quite a bit more tame than it once was.
They still are but I've learned to love the block list and use it judiciously with people who go beyond good faith arguments of any sort.
That’s most of the people here in political conversations.
I feel like it's steadily increased over the last 6 months or so, but it's hard to really say. And it's still pretty tame.
Yup, lost of people here accusing others of being "genocide apologists" for expressing even the slightest approval or agreement with Harris or Biden on anything. Yet, somehow, they don't seem to want to criticize the current administration, blaming everything on the liberals as if they're the ones solely responsible for this mess. Curious, isn't it.
Not that I've noticed, but the whole world is growing more toxic as far-right ideology becomes more and more accepted everywhere, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Nothing outside the usual to me.
But that’s another good perk of Lemmy: if you don’t like this instance, join another or create your own.
Yes, blocking posts from .ml and dbzer0 helped. Same goes for just liberally blocking anybody, who starts screaming instead of participating nicely.
I've been considering blocking .world, as some of the mods are behaving like power tripping reddit mods. But it's the biggest instance and without it I wouldn't have any content.
I'm still here at .world because every time I think I've identified a better instance to go to where people seem to like it, I see someone else who recommends blocking it.
I definitely see the appeal of (and need for) blocking individuals, but I think that instances are too big and varied to neatly paint everyone with the same brush.
Would still be using .world but they don't allow VPNs. So fuck .world
It's not that hard to be a good person. I don't care if you've banned me from your community, if your community exists to spread hate i'm going to do everything in my power to disrupt and derail your community. We're at the stage in humanity where theres no longer any excuse to justify anything less than being a good person.
If you are not going out of your way to improve everyones lives, you are the problem and should just die. Theres way too many people just like you who think the world is just going to improve so we dont need to out the nazis and racists and sexists. Nah fuck that, i see a nazi and im going to harrass them until they die, hopefully by their own hand.
Yeah. I've enjoyed Lemmy casually for years, but this last year has really killed my desire to read or post here.
For me it's everywhere. I still come to these things out of habit or because i don't have energy for a regular hobby, but it's getting draining. All of social media just brings me back to politics, even if funny memes are in between. I also have a habit of reading comments, and then some dingus brings the one non political thing back down to politics anyway.
I haven't noticed much, but I do have a lot of people blocked...
The most important thing for me is that the amount of truly thoughtful comments I've seen is higher than on any other platform I use.
And discourse is generally more respectful. Disagreements are handled in a constructive manner at a much higher rate than on any other platform I have used.
I also noticed how every post just has 5-10 random down votes. Like perfectly fine post in the correct community, not controversial, no rules broken, -10 down votes.
Tempting to downvote that post, not gonna lie
People here do tend to downvote for disagreeing with any little part of something that was said.
Well im up to 30 user blocks and not long ago someone asked people how many they blocked and it was at about a dozen and 6 of those are alts of one user (same name with different instances). So its closer to go from like 7 to 24. So like in just a few weeks. Maybe over a month or so but not many months I have tripled my blocking of people (I block communities mostly do to it being something I am just not interested at all as opposed to the community is horrible). So take that info as you like.
The world has been deteriorating a lot in recently years and inflation is high.
Post quality go down. Echo chamber go up.
I imagine it can be hard to scroll past someone saying something very off the wall. When you read someone's comment it's hard not to feel like they're talking directly to you, and if you don't align with what they're saying, especially if you're far from it, it can be hard to resist correcting them or giving them your opinion, when I catch myself doing this, I try to reframe it to ask a question, rather than dump opposing facts.
But there's another perspective I try really hard to keep in mind, if I were sitting at a table with a group of people and someone was loudly saying those things to me in person, I wouldn't engage. I'd move to a quieter spot and ask the people I do like at the table to come for a chat there, or I'd acknowledge their feelings (but not the topic) and move to a different conversation topic.
But I feel like I need more practice at doing this when it's in a text form of socializing, as this is.
I notice some amazing people on here, whom I aspire to learn from, that handle conflicting opinions with grace, and inclusion.
And I understand the dehumanisation that text conversations, present, it can be easy to imagine a hostility that may not be behind the comment. We're all filling in the blanks of the personality behind the commenter. I worked a checkout for a good decade, so I'm very familiar with positions that can become dehumanised. Especially seeing as that seemed to be throughout a time when a huge bulk of people felt like they were only going to get righted the situation they believed had wronged them, by yelling or getting massively agro at the poor checkout chick who was gunna set that right wrong, because fk corporations, I enjoyed giving as much free stuff away as possible, any excuse, within the rules I could muster.
I absolutely understand tensions being high, currently, with world events being what they are. And there's so much propaganda trying to brain wash us into being an army for their cause, and it's all rage baity. So there's even more rage and tension built up. I get it.
I really feel for people who can't, and haven't been helped to learn how to help and sooth their emotions, and then those emotions fester into all consuming things. And they find a cause to funnel that emotion into. Without really addressing that emotion, therefore not actual helping, processing or soothing that emotion.
See, we feel a feeling first, and then we ascribe a meaning, after. Except those two parts of the brain don't actually communicate. The emotional brain is essentially non verbal, and the thinking brain, is verbal, but obviously it doesn't do emotions. So you have this thinking guy in your head trying to tell you what emotions mean, except that guy is not an expert and knows nothing about them.
Your emotional brain is essentially a, very detailed messenger system for checking the temperature of the room. If shit feels off, it sends an alarm. Your emotions are a message to you that the shower temperature is too hot. It's not really about that argument you had with your sibling last fortnight.
And to top it off, your emotional brain is non verbal, so all that ranting that you do, thinking that you solve the anger (or whatever emotion) you feel isn't! It's actually making it worse.
Your emotional brain is super primal, and very simplistic. All it wants is to know you took your hand out of the broiling hot shower water, and now your safe, and it's message worked. It feels the environment and let's you know if that's vibing good stuff or danger. Sometime all you gotta do is change environment, or do a couple of jumping jacks, to help that emotional brain know, dangers gone. If you sit in the same spot and stress, your brain can even learn, that's a stressful spot to sit, every time we sit here, bam, gotta be bad, and spits up those same feelings, even if it's about nothing, just habit.
It also believes anything you tell it, because it's listening to vibes. So even if shits fkd, right now, you have to keep telling yourself, everything is OK, you are safe and a capable bad ass, who has handled all the shit life threw so far, so you absolutely got this. Time to shine.
Your emotions are a message for you, and you alone. And if you expect others to sooth your emotions, all the time, you tell yourself that you don't trust yourself to be capable of helping yourself process emotions. Obviously, we also need connection, so at the same time, it's not at all about doing it alone. But it's more about feeling safe to sit in emotions, rather than, fixing them. The way forward is sometimes the way back, sit in the emotion. Don't try and put it out like it's a fire, or distract it with shiny things. Just be, and listen, feel. Sometimes you need to sit with someone and not feel like you have to create a false front. Just sit and feel, for a bit.
If you're getting stuck in emotions for elongated periods of time, there's people who spend multiple years at school learning how to try and show you all the tips and tricks we've learned so far. Have a chat with one (or two if you don't vibe with numerous uno) of them.
It's literally all about emotional regulation. The mean people, haven't been able to process their emotions, have never been taught how, their parents didn't know, themselves, to tell them. And they're being bombarded with proverbial tornadoes from all sides. And there's so much rage baity propaganda, all designed to fuel and feed off that.
just general vibe here, even positive news about something happening outside of US and you get a lot of negativity.
It seems like some AI bots with contrarian comments in order to drive engagement or strong arm wild political platforms have started to leak into the fediverse as a whole. Still better than other options though.
Yeah, I've seen a bunch of what appear to be bot accounts dropping douchey comments. They've been down voted to oblivion, but it sucks seeing it here.
Not only is it not more hostile I would argue its less hostile. During the election season you couldn't say Kamala was anything other than perfect without being called a tankie. Hell you couldn't even talk about any of the issues that mattered without being called a "single issue voter". Granted today you have the people saying "well acturally the toxicity is because of those other people", still not as bad.
Blame reddit. Lemmy is the home for us, the permabanned.
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