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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 25 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The only reason we have 5 day work weeks, 8 hour workdays, overtime pay, benefits, workplace health/safety/environmental regulations, unions, health care, paid time off, vacations, etc. is because our grandfathers and great-grandfathers busted heads, and got their own heads busted, fighting corporate goons in the streets - and WINNING!

Those heroic workers would be ashamed at what their grandchildren have let the Sociopathic Oligarchs have done to America. They fought hard to keep those psychopaths under control, and we not only let them up, we helped them take full power.

[–] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

grandfathers busted heads, and got their own heads busted, fighting corporate goons in the streets - and WINNING!

No one won anything. The massive militant strike actions in the USA in the early 20th century usually were losses. Wins tended to be pyrrhic, with the company cleaning house a couple months later or simply reversing the won benefits.

Things were brought to a head by the depression. The solution was simple, the most militant leaders were arrested, reforms were done to buy off the less militant, and the anger was channeled into marching all of us off to war (with the support of the non-militant collaborationist unions, of course).

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Except that in the end, we still have the 8 hour workday/ 40 hour work week, overtime, benefits, etc. None of those things existed before the labor riots, so things didn't get rolled back as much as you claim, and the most important ones stuck permanently.

The Labor Riots were extremely successful, and completely reconfigured the American workplace for the rest of the century, and beyond. MAGA wants to revert to the old days.

[–] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yup. Poor MAGA thinks they'll get 2 hour work weeks if they went back to the good old days.

The truth is that they whites will all be working the fields again without holiday, cheap medical aid, and so on.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 5 days ago

A lot of them think they'll be slave owners again. I'm sure there are a few yokels who think the day is coming when they can just go grab the nearest black neighbor and declare him their property, and force him to get to work in the fields. After all, that was the original reason those Africans CHOSE to come to America ILLEGALLY right?

Well, he's got a trailer, so maybe he just makes his new slave pick up the house, make the bed, and wash the truck.

[–] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Everyone I know works more than 40 hours a week because its not enough to live on. Overtime is barely doled out and "benefits" account for either expensive PPOs or slightly cheaper HMOs (which suck, fyi). And I live in a state with strong labor protections. In all of the country its entirely possible to work more than 40 hours a week and not receive any overtime pay at all. Or be misclassified, or be subject to illegal wage theft.

All that changed is the worst jobs got sent overseas and a certain section of careers for the college educated exist that provides some semblance of "good benefits and good hours".

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, corrupt corporations are exploiting the system, with the help of the corrupt government. What's new? The fact still remains that the work environment we generally accept as normal, was created by those Labor Riots, and we are still better off for them. Even if MAGA manages to roll back the workplace environment to the 19th century, they will always have to compete with the memory of America's peak, and will look bad in comparison.

[–] NotACIAPlant@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

You have false nostalgia for a time you weren't even alive as things have always been shit for working people especially in the United States.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

You are stuck on your biases, and can't even consider the idea that labor issues were terrible in the 19th C/ early 20th C, and it was labor riots in the second quarter of the century that ended the old way, and began a new workplace environment. It is definitely not perfect, but it's far better than it once was, and it's ridiculous to argue otherwise.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I think it’s worth pointing out that calling these riots isn’t really appropriate. When we think of riots, we think of unfocused, unplanned, unmanaged, etc. Highly organized protests sometimes wind up turning into riots because capitalists use violence, but it’s not the norm.

[–] korazail@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 6 days ago

Super This:

Organized, non-violent protests are not riots. They are people, in mass, using their freedom of speech to complain about something.

A common issue is that some people, either within the protest group, or outside instigators, will then prod the protest into violence in order to discredit it. Two examples:

  • Police using rubber bullets/tear-gas/pepper-spray to disperse a lawful gathering. This escalates and adds tension. Not everyone is prepared to weather abuse to stay non-violent. Gassing a peaceful protest is going to make at least some of them really mad and is a pretty trivial way to turn a peaceful protest into something else and remove it's message, making it just a "riot."
  • Agitators claiming to be within the group, but who are actually against, it performing actions such as property damage or violence in order to discredit the whole event. If a non-violent march is walking down a street and some dick throws a rock through a store window and steals something, the whole march is called a riot by the media.

It's important that if you are involved in a protest that you stay calm despite what is thrown your way. The protest is the message and fighting back during that event is only harming your message. Please do things like capture pictures/videos of people inciting violence, of police using crowd control on peaceful protesters, of generic unfair treatment; but during that event, the goal is to be calm. Afterwards, you can take all your grievances to the medias. If you've been harmed during a protest, find a lawyer -- many will work pro-bono for cases like this and if your first pick doesn't... fuck 'em: Name and shame -- and then fight back after the event, when you have legal standing.

Your grievances are real. Your pain is real. The people in power will use every trick to discredit your issues. Don't give them ammo.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Labor movements in the 19 th and early 20th centuries also literally organized riots, where the express purpose was to destroy property. It used to be a legitimate protest strategy against the owning class.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The most sociopatic "winners" of the current system will always laud whatever was done to establish the system in which they get so much and decry anything that might overthrow or even meaningfully change that system.

Those who have a more empathic view of things, even when they too are considered "winners", have a different posture if they think the current system isn't working well for most people because they don't think only about personal upside maximization at any cost for the rest.

As it so happens, caring for more than just "me, me, me" is what distinguishes leftwingers from rightwingers.

So this is a great way to spot fake leftwingers in or seeking positions of power and wealth: no matter how "progressive" their words are in general, when it comes to the current system they'll display exactly this kind of hypocrisy of being against any kind of actions that will change the current system whilst lauding the very same kind of actions when they installed the current system, since their one true drive is "What's in it for me", a rightwinger's motivation.

[–] BC_viper@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Violence is the only answer, and until youre ready for that nothing will change. Extreme violence is the only answer.

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 1 points 6 days ago

Not entirely. As they say, there's a different between being peaceful and being harmless. Sometimes the threat or implication of violence is just as or more effective.

[–] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 5 points 6 days ago

Reasonable men adapt themselves to their environment; unreasonable men try to adapt their environment to themselves. Thus all progress is the result of the efforts of unreasonable men.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You've got to seize the means of production, of course in the US that means getting on a plane.

Global capitalism makes seizing the means of production a global effort no matter where you are, which is why nationalism is main the tool for maintaining capitalism

[–] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 days ago

Which is why we will always need heroes.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

unreasonable? it is generally categorized as criminal

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

and being trans can make you a criminal; what's your point?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

my point it is not labelled as only unreasonable, it is actually labelled as criminal

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That's the point. These actions are criminal and demonized, but undoubtedly necessary for us having rights at all.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Yes and the word "unreasonable" underplays how they actually try ro portray it. When some action is called criminal it creates fear. "Unreasonable" not so much.

[–] taygaloocat@leminal.space 100 points 1 week ago (4 children)

The Internet has made people too easy to divide and conquer

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 68 points 1 week ago

I'm suddenly reminded of this quote:

“Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation.”

-- Douglas Adams in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

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[–] Clairvoidance@lemmy.dbzer0.com 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Violence isn't the answer!

The answer is.. checks history book

wait not that one.. starts flipping pages

uhh if you hang on a second uhh furious page-flipping

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 63 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Why is this yellowed like it's been in a smokers house for the last 15 years?

[–] Arello@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

Sepia tone is the JPG artifacts of the past

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

I think it’s a picture of a monitor.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Has this been aged? Lol looks like sepia

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, because it's long been true and people didn't fucking listen. Now my country doesn't even really have liberal democracy, and people are still himing and hawing about disruption being bad and lawbreaking being bad

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Are USians not still working 10 hours day/6 days a week? The USA are usually near the top of the "time worked per week" OECD rankings.

Also, interesting how the poster and first replier have the same avatar. Is that a historical figure?

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 days ago

Yes, Americans are not still working 10 hours a day, 6 days a week. (But phrasing things backwards that way is confusing!)

40 hours a week is typical for normal, salaried jobs. But, because union membership is extremely low, some people are pressured into working a lot more than that. Also, some people have to work multiple jobs to make ends meet. But, I don't think 6 days a week is at all normal, nor is 10 hours a day.

It's actually the USA that is to thank for the normal work day being only 8 hours. In post-civil-war USA 6 days a week, 10 hours a day was the norm. But, workers in Chicago went on strike on May 1st, demanding an 8 hour day. Their argument was "Eight Hours for work. Eight hours for rest. Eight hours for what we will." They didn't get what they were demanding. Instead the strikers were met by police and Pinkerton violence. Some anarchists in the crowd responded to that police violence by throwing bombs (at least, allegedly). The police responded to the bombs by shooting the crowd. They then rounded up the suspected leaders of the anarchist movement and after incredibly brief show-trials, they hanged them.

It was actually the backlash against the hangings that energized the unions and communists around the world, and although it took years to actually achieve the 8 hour day they demanded. The rest of the world also celebrates a worker day on May 1st as a result of this event. But, of course, in the US, "May Day" is seen as being too close to "communism" so Labor Day is in September instead.

It took decades more to reduce the work week from 6 days to 5. Again this was the result of union pressure.

American workers have lots immense amounts of power since the 1880s. Even if those striking workers were beaten by Pinkertons, they were at least able to organize a general strike.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This is literally every country.

"OUR REVOLUTIONARIES WERE HEROES"

But also: "Don't y'all even dare thinking about overthrowing the current system. Violence Baaad!"

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