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Cool, cool cool cool. Nothing dystopian about that at all.

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 121 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

People apparently don't know about the NSA Utah Datacenter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

Been a thing for over a decade, unimaginable total storage size, and they literally archive everything.

This place had between 3 and 12 exabytes of storage capacity, in 2013.

1 exabyte is 1 billion gigabytes.

How big was your pc/laptop hard drive in 2013?

Maybe... 250 gigs to 2 teras, something like that?

This data center could now easily be in the yottabyte range ( millions of exabytes ), maybe even ronnabytes ( billions of exabytes ).

https://www.rankred.com/largest-data-centers-in-the-world/

6th largest data center in the world by physical size, and it is the only one on this list explictly designated for 'national security'.

The NSA has taps on every single major trunk line going in or out of the US, they coordinate with every major US-based ISP, every major software provider, data center operator.

They have so much archived data that their actual problem is figuring out how to search through it efficiently... and that is a big thing that Palantir does, that was kinda their whole intitial... thing, as a company.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 44 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I came here to make this comment less cogently. You have it exactly.

Now, does it violate US law and multiple Executive Orders to search the database to get dirt on US Citizens and use it against their election campaign? Yes. Yes it does. But this administration thinks laws are for sissies.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

And this was always the problem of building the panopticon, everyone justified doing it by saying 'well, its fine so long as the good guys are in charge', and 'we have to stop the terrorists, 9/11 Never Again'.

This is why the panopticon system is destroyed by Lucius Fox after using it to find the Joker in the Dark Knight.

The system itself is too dangerous to be allowed to exist in a world of flawed humans, and it will eventually be wielded by those least morally qualified to wield it.

Fuck, this is also basically analagous to the Lord of the Rings... Frodo is the hero for destroying the One Ring, not wielding it, because it literally corrupts you with its literally evil power.

God damnit.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

This "too dangerous to exist" argument is seemingly more true for nuclear technology, but the world recognized the threat and came together to manage it.

I will grant you that database and ability to search it lends itself easily to popular oppression, but it still requires thinking, breathing humans to do the oppressing.

Most technology is not dangerous without psychopaths in power, and damn near everything is dangerous with psychopaths in power.

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When people were up in arms about China getting data from TikTok, I wondered if they had any idea of what the NSA does.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When that was going on, the whole time I was saying that if we ban Tiktok for data security reasons, we should ban Facebook and Instagram for exactly the same reason, and yes, we should ban basically all social media at this point, its all a perfect spying machine, one you get addicted to, beyond hiding in plain sight...

Of course, that's extremely unlikely to happen... but it is an actually consistent position.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 94 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes I too can use web.archive.org

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sure, but it's also very likely that reddit is still retaining all posts even "deleted" ones in their database. I can go look at the profiles of people who haven't used their accounts in 12 years. I can use Arctic Shift to view posts and comments that users have deleted themselves... even from deleted accounts! All the data is still there. That's why a few years ago when people were deleting accounts it was widely suggested to edit every comment into gibberish before deletion, so the final edit in the database would be worthless. I remember when there were extension tools to do it like NukeReddit that changed everything to gibberish and then deleted it for you all automatically. Those tools had stopped working by the time the exodus due to the API changes happened.

Anyway, I wouldn't past that fucking pile of shit Steve Huffman to just be passing it off to Palantir because he's such a little bitch.

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[–] Xanthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don't think people realize that our user information is automatically documented on a not-so regular basis. (By the web archive crawler) I've been curious about Lemmy, but I haven't seen us on there much, lol. I don't think we're important enough, THANKFULLY.

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[–] shaggyb@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's like none of you have heard of Edward Snowden.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 week ago

It hasn't been on tiktok lately, so, correct, they have not.

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[–] Quexotic 51 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like, they've been able to do this for 25 odd years.

There were gov data centers with thousands of petabytes when I was in college. Prism had the gov archiving every phone call and all internet traffic back in '08...

This is not news.

As soon as the quantum cryptography tech gets there, they'll start decrypting the signal and matrix chats you had yesterday.

Privacy is illusory and temporary.

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[–] Saarth@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

There are dedicated tools, called Social Listening tools that do just these. Some examples are Brandwatch, Sprinklr, Talkwalker and Meltwater.

Not just Palantir, anyone and everyone is using these tools. From consumer companies to investment banks to your favourite content creator is using some kind of social listening to stay on top of trends and understand how you behave.

Reddit and Twitter are two social platforms that provide the most data openly and freely, and in reddit's case you can get a lot of historical data without extra cost.

Your favourite candle brand, and your favourite outdoor clothing company and protein shake company is part of your favourite reddit community listening to what you're talking about. They know if you like energy drinks, you might light heavily scented bath soaps too.

Deleted posts show up on these platforms quite often but when you click on them to go to reddit or twitter you'll get a not found or deleted page.

PS: I've been working in social listening for last 8 years.

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Why are you doing evil work..? Like... Why develop these tools that will so obviously be used to worsen our lives?

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could you stop enabling the police state, please?

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

'Social Listening' is uh, one way to brand 'corporate surveillance panopticon', I guess hahah!

Oh god I'm so glad I am an ex-corpo, the stupid fucking lingo and buzzwords alone should be enough to make most people realize they are in a cult, but I guess not.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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[–] dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 1 week ago (11 children)

As a software engineer I was a little shocked when I learned our company treats “Delete” buttons as a means to toggle Archived = 1 in the DB. Nothing is actually deleted. Sure we will anonymise the data after a certain time to be GDPR compliant but it would be trivial I guess to actually link that back to people.

[–] ranzispa@mander.xyz 22 points 1 week ago (9 children)

I'm pretty sure GDPR requires websites to abide to user requests to delete their data. You may wish to review that with your company.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure they also have access to banned Reddit accounts whose users can no longer access their history to know what they will be judged and profiled for, too.

Just assume every social network either allows this directly or enables a third party to do it, Lemmy specially.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (5 children)

In October 2025, various news outlets reported on past Reddit posts by Platner between 2013 and 2021 in which he called himself a "communist", declared that "all" cops are "bastards", and agreed with a post describing White people as "racist and stupid".[36] In a 2013 Reddit discussion about anti-rape underwear, Platner commented that people worried about assault should "take some responsibility for themselves and not get so fucked up they wind up having sex with someone they don't mean to".[37] He also referenced political violence in multiple posts; in 2018, he wrote: "Fight until you get tired of fighting with words and then fight with signs, and fists, and guns if need be." Platner also said that "an armed working class is a requirement for economic justice" and urged readers to "Get Armed, Get Organized. The Other Side Sure As Hell Is

Based?

[–] webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Nothing here that makes mass surveillance justified.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Depends - was the assault comment directed at assailants or victims?

[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I read that wrong. He was talking about victims. The comments are from 2013.

He also claims then 'he was at his lowest point in life after 4 tours of Iraq, dealing with PTSD and didn't know what the fuck he was talking about'.

[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 12 points 1 week ago

well... at least he realizes that was bullshit...?

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[–] scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fuckers should help me restore my old academic portfolio then. Might as well put living in a dystopian surveillance state to helpful use.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It seems like these sorts of things can be used against you, but whenever it might actually benefit you they always come up short.

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[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Don't just be mad at palantir.

The American government funded palantir.

Palantir couldn't exist without the helping hand of the American government.

The time to give a fuck was long before Snowden made his leaks.

All the dystopian stuff people fear the government will do is already being done by a framework of companies funded by our government.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Literally nothing points to Palantir so far according to that post, so your title is just misinformation...

Sources claim that [...] tools, POSSIBLY including Palantir OR SIMILAR [...] MAY have been used ...

Everyone from the sources to the poster are just guessing and speculating.
I dont doubt that its real, but at this point its just made up nonsense to claim it like this.

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[–] eve@evecodes.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

What’s posted to the internet, STAYS on the internet. Forever. Stay safe friens

[–] eveskeets@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago
[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 22 points 1 week ago

I'm sure Palantir would help Democrats find stuff on NAZIs ... right ? Right ?

[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

For as long as Reddit has been available there have been places that would scrape it and mirror deleted/edited comments. I don't remember what any of them are so people would use them all the time to figure out what someone said before they were banned.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 14 points 1 week ago

It was forensics. They used forensics. Ai did not help, probably got a bit in the way even. You can do these things with data. We told you several times

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Once you put anything on the public internet these days, it will be harvest by corporations and used against you eventually

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[–] kingofras@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Peter Thiel knows about the anti christ

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[–] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago
[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago

For some time now, I have written stuff on the internet under the assumption that one day, my identity will be publicly tied to everything I wrote. Surely in the future it will be easy to give an example of my writing to an AI bot, perhaps combined with some facts about my life, and the bot would be able to find anonymous posts that were likely written by me, across the internet.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This should come as no surprise. We all knew they were storing everything away in data centers for decades now. Once AI hit the scene it was over. I knew right at that moment they would use it to parse all that information. That's why I stopped using social media in a way that could be used to identify my more violent and anarchistic takes. I'm sure I could still be found out, but I'll not be making it easy for the bastards. Fuck Republicans for fear mongering all of this for my entire life and now cheering for it to be used against their perceived enemies, traitorous cocksuckers.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Palantir is an evil company.

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[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

Q. uell. Sur....... prise ~

[–] nandeEbisu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

You don't need AI for this, just a ton of money for storage and either tolerance for a slow query (like 15-20 minutes) or an engineer who knows what they're doing in search.

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