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[–] fdnomad@programming.dev 19 points 13 hours ago

Nintendo got sued by Universal Studios for creating Donkey Kong which Universal felt was too close to King Kong. Nintendo won the case and since then they've been on a bloody dont-fuck-with-the-plumber Crusade just like Disney's dont-fuck-with-the-mouse. Given the current state of Pokemon games, I wish Nintendo had lost the Pokemon trademark due to brand dilution long ago.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Can anyone interpret this article? Its very technical and even the summary was hard to parse.

[–] Legge@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

I'll do my best :)

Nintendo is suing palworld for patent infringement, meaning it thinks palworld is infringing (using without permission) one of Nintendo's patents.

These parents went through the application process and the Japanese patent office decided they were valid (basically that they were new and inventive).

Now, though, the validity of 2 of the 3 Nintendo parents are having their validity questioned.

A pending Nintendo application (not yet a patent) is, at the moment, considered to not be patentable because it lacks the new and inventive part that is required of a patent. This was discovered because a third party told the patent office about something that existed in some sort of publication before the Nintendo application was started (basically). This earlier-existing thing is called prior art. Prior art is sort of like a quasi-patent in the sense that new applications' new and inventive determination is based on basically all previously existing stuff. Just because Nintendo didn't disclose it and just because the patent office itself didn't discover this prior art doesn't mean it does not still operate to block the new application's new and inventive idea.

Now Nintendo has to demonstrate to the patent office that its new application is actually different from the prior art or that the prior art should, for some reason, not actually qualify as prior art. If it is successful, it can become an actual patent (assuming all the other stuff it needs is correct).

This all matters because this new application stems from existing Nintendo patents. This means basically that Nintendo patented something extensive that can be broken into smaller parts that are also patentable. This is confusing but it's sort of like if you designed a 3-in-1 hot coffee, espresso, cold brew machine (on paper). It was so unique that if you separated the espresso part of it it was still new and inventive over everything else in existence, which makes it patentable. As well, if you separated the cold brew part, it was also new and inventive (therefore patentable).

This new application is like the cold brew part of the example above. The espresso part was already found to be new and inventive (now a patent) but the discovery of this third-party prior art is not only blocking the new and inventiveness of the cold brew part (new application), but also of the entire 3-in-1 machine (already a patent). This could happen, for example, if someone in India invented the 3-in-1 machine but the Japanese patent office didn't know about it and Nintendo didn't know about it when Nintendo first tried to patent its 3-in-1 machine with the Japanese office. Now, the India machine has been brought to japan's attention during this new application and it could lead to the office reconsidering the validity of Nintendo's 3-in-1 machine altogether.

Hope this helps! I tried to make it easy enough to follow with a more imaginable example but the whole thing is still pretty abstract and confusing.

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 hours ago

Thank you! Appreciate taking the time to type this out.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 15 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Legge@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

Thanks lol I have some parent law background and was happy for a chance to use it here for this

[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 5 points 11 hours ago

As I understand Pokemon GO and other games had monster capture mechanic before patent submission and patent is invalid in non-final verdict.

[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 24 points 19 hours ago

hah get fucked nintendo

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 91 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Excellent news. 12 year old me would never believe I would be smiling seeing Nintendo finally take an L.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

12 year old me was watching Nintendo send representatives to Senate hearings to try to censor the entire medium of video games. Every L Nintendo takes is a benefit to the world.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Same here but 12 year old me also wanted to be a ninja when he grew up.

Learn martial arts, wear a mask, and throw pepper bombs at cops

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 55 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Sad how villainous Nintendo are. Their games were everything to me as a child.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Just put yer eyepatch and tricorn hat on, matey. Their games still be worth plunderin'!

[–] misk@piefed.social 28 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

Wouldn’t you want to skip Nintendo games so that they stop being culturally relevant? I often hear that piracy is good for media creators in the long run.

[–] stray@pawb.social 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There are way, way too many people who have never heard of Nintendo's problems and/or don't care for it to make any difference. They're culturally relevant, and there's nothing you or I can do about it.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

This kind of thinking certaintly won't contribute to that changing.

[–] stray@pawb.social -5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Abstaining from entertainment to no actual end drains valuable mental energy that could be going into constructive solutions.

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 14 hours ago

That might be true if there weren’t literally a million other games to play instead.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

How does not playing a game drain more valuable mental energy than downloading, installing, and playing it?

[–] stray@pawb.social -2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

If you really want to do something, and you're watching everyone else enjoy it on social media, that takes willpower. You only have so much willpower, so why not use it on something that actually helps someone, like not eating meat or child shave chocolate or whatever?

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

But you realise you could swap the Nintendo games with child slave chocolate and this discussion would have played out just the same. What makes one boycott more likely to succeed than another? That's setting aside the fact that you're assuming everybody will have the same set of social values as you.

[–] stray@pawb.social 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We're taking about pirating the games, not buying them. Not buying them is still voting with your wallet.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn’t you want to skip Nintendo games so that they stop being culturally relevant? I often hear that piracy is good for media creators in the long run.

This is the message we were replying to

[–] stray@pawb.social 1 points 46 minutes ago

Yes, the one responding to a suggestion to pirate their games, which directly references piracy in the quote you pasted.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

i mean it’s not your refusal to play pokémon schmirtle & thromble that will plunge nintendo to obscurity

at that point, if the game interests you, may as well pirate it

[–] univers3man@piefed.world 4 points 21 hours ago

I'm waiting for Pokémon SilverSchmirtle, myself.

[–] misk@piefed.social 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Sounds like an argument for pirating if you feel like it, regardless of everything else. Can’t say I agree with this one even if there are good reasons to pirate in plenty of cases.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

It's because of upstanding pirates like yourself that the rest of us can plunder at whim. Thank you for your ~~service~~ ratio. 🙇🏼‍♂️🏴‍☠️

[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Nah, keeping their old catalog relevant just twists the knife in them more. Like pouring a whole bottle of hydrogen peroxide on the wound.

Is it petty? Sure. But Nintendo cannot out-petty me.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 15 hours ago

Um. Hydrogen peroxide would clean the wound and, presumably with said volume, also irrigate it pretty effectively, so...

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Aye, if th' games were released on PC, matey.

As long as the treasure be land-locked to their hardware jails, they've yet to see a cent out of me, or me crew!

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 30 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Never forget how Nintendo made its money.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Making playing cards? 🤨

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 2 points 21 hours ago (2 children)
[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

Gamblers.

Which is pretty weird for a law firm with a gaming side business.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago

The richest gamblers learned that you didn't need to beat the house if you are the house. 🤌🏼

[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 3 points 21 hours ago

A pretty specific subset of gamblers.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Well, they're Japanese and started in Japan, so... The Dutch? 🤷‍♂️

[–] Akagigahara@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The type of playing cards Nintendo used to produce have a high association with the gambling underground. So I presume they mean to insinuate Nintendo is associated with the Yakuza

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I can not remember if this thing I read a long time ago that pretty much confirmed that Nintendo, at one point, had Yakuza members on its board was a real news article or from a fictional book (this is somewhat of a plot point in Lucky Wander Boy)... 🤔

It's one of those things that's been rumored about since I was a kid, tho.

[–] Akagigahara@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

I saw something similar. I wouldn't be surprised if there still is some Yakuza connection remaining. There's bound to be some rich, influential yakuza members that were like "Nintendo? Neat, i'mma join this" and got a position somewhere. If not by money, by influence.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 36 points 22 hours ago

Lmao, Pokemon GO was used as prior art. Get fucked Nintendo.

[–] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 60 points 1 day ago
[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago

Wow I’m pleasantly surprised. Doesn’t happen much lately

[–] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 6 points 22 hours ago

Sweet. Fuck Nintendo.

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