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[–] llama@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago (4 children)

IMO it's been Adobe really running the Mac vs Windows duopoly for over a decade at this point. If they made their software compatible with Linux people would have virtually no reason to continue using Windows.

[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Microsoft Office is also strong. It is still the standard in most contexts and they are just very good.

And while the libre alternatives are all excellent there is tiny points of friction, especially when collaborating with MS Office users and they make non MS Office users not want to switch.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No. All you have to do is say “we don’t accept files from product X. Please submit in one of the following formats/from the following products.”

I’m serious. This works. It’s worked for me for DECADES. If you want to do business with me, you’re doing it on my terms.

[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unless you are an employee, student, petitioner or in one of a hundred other situations where you have to follow rules set by someone else.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago

I went through college without using Microsoft office. I was fine. As an employee, if they are paying for the systems and software I’ll use the company supplied stuff.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Most MS office application use can work through browser under linux now...

For my purposes, the only time I've had to dust off Windows native Office has been dealing with some of the more "weird" features of presentations that people ask me to work on that aren't handled in the browser version, and my general feedback is that those features are a bad idea in general and should be avoided.

I wager there's also some Excel things that might not work in the Web version, but I don't go that hard with Excel anyway.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In the corpo world, office integration with OneDrive and Teams is pretty nice too.

[–] llama@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago

Unless half of your coworkers are on Mac then it's terrible and fails to sync all the time so they go behind your back and start using Google docs with their Gmail.

[–] llama@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree there are weird inconsistencies between formulas in Excel, Libre office and Google Sheets. In Excel Concat and concatenate are the same while in google sheets Concat only works for two strings and concatenante is more than two. In Excel other sheet cells are references like Sheet2!A1 but in Libre Office it's Sheet2.A1 like why??

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

My understanding of the excel situation is management had one obnoxious engineer who said “why can’t it do X? Let’s make it do X!” And rather than plan out or coordinate the development of that function, they said “fuck Gavin is annoying. Let him run with this to shut him up.”

Years later, Gavin is no longer on the excel team, no one understands how his code works. No one is going to touch it. So it’s now a weird little thing that tethers people to excel. Not some fancy new thing. No, just a function Gavin put in 12 years ago nobody wants to deal with, because Gavin’s code is as obnoxious as Gavin himself.

This is my theory.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Adobe is definitely like 60% the reason I'm still sticking to Windows... :/

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Honestly until recently affinity was a huge threat to Adobe. We almost had a way out.

[–] anythingdull 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Did something happen with Affinity that knocked it out of the running?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Got bought by Canva last year and this year they switched to a freemium model. People fear that cramming AI more prominently, ads and predatory subscription models will follow.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And yet the other 90% of people will still be stuck with it.

[–] DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

All I need is some hardware creators to make dual OS apps for Linux and we will be golden

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

They already do. They are called PWAs.

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Fuckssake I need Windows to stay usable for my work...

I'll stay with Win10 for another 3 years and see what the landscape looks like then 👀

Please Adobe and Hoyoverse, implement Linux support pronto.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Adobe won't ever allow Linux, I'm sure they have some contract.woth Microsoft about this (wouldn't be the first time I've seen that)

Also, obligatory FUCK EVERYTHING ABOUT ADOBE here. We just now setup pihole to improve office security slightly and FFS, Adobe is making it impossible with their 10.000 domains they're using. I've added countless exceptions already and still can't get Adobe services to run remotely reliable

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, I hate Adobe's business practices, but for my needs their software is sadly still quite ahead of the FLOSS alternatives.

[–] TheWonderfool@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I have switched last year and Hoyoverse works without problems (using Steam).

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wait, Genshin specifically? I heard some other Hoyo games might work. I found a Linux launcher on Github, but even they said it carried a ban risk.

[–] TheWonderfool@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Genshin specifically. Used to run it on Lutris, but the new anti-cheat they have would kill it if it's not run through Steam on Linux. Quite sure they want to keep it running on the deck, it seems like the perfect platform for this kind of games (don't have the steam deck though, so don't quote me on that).

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Hmm thanks.

Quite sure they want to keep it running on the deck, it seems like the perfect platform for this kind of games

I don't find that likely, since they don't have Genshin on the Steam store, only on the Epic Store (that's how I run it so I can count my playtime).

[–] TheWonderfool@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yes, but their "main competition" is (WuWa), and when they enabled their anti-cheat for Genshin that broke the game on Linux, they specifically coded a check to keep the game running though Steam (at least this is what people smarter than me says).

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Thanks, good to know!

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago

Aside from Quicken: Nursing Home Edition, I don’t see much keep people on windows anymore. Only one user of mine still uses windows and it’s because quicken (and he thinks only poor people use free software)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 6 days ago

Windows 11 not running on my old computer made me hold out just long enough until Recall hit and it made me decide to not use it in my new one. I've been using Arch (CachyOS technically) for about a year now.

[–] NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Every single time I open my windows PC (which has now been force fed windows 11) they have disabled my Internet connection until I install yet another update. Which takes at least 15 min with a reboot. It's maddening. Reading all the lemmy Linux posts is about to convince me.

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