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Israel trying to pass the hospital bombing off as Palestine doing it is utterly disgusting and guarantees Netanyahu a spot in the deepest pit of Hell for all eternity, obviously, but do not forget that

a) the only reason why Westerners will believe it is because they want to believe it - they are not being brainwashed and this is not some masterful propaganda being weaved around us to turn kind-hearted people into monsters,

b) no Westerner opinions matter at all. In most Western countries there is no real anti-Israel option to vote for even if they did realize that Israel was a giant factory for crimes against humanity, and Westerners protesting against things in general almost never achieves anything (tens of millions protested for BLM in 2020 and not only did the situation not change, it got worse), and

c) the people whose opinions do matter (both the people in the region, and the leaders who aren't already Zionist compradors) already know that Israel is full of shit and that they just murdered nearly a thousand civilians in a single bomb attack.

It is despair-inducing to think that the genocidal Zionist entity is so brazenly, so smugly getting away with bullshitting this away into a cloud of confusion, as they release their metaphorical squid ink just like they did with the stupid babies story, but the propaganda and the media narrative that they are creating isn't what matters. It cannot address the fundamental contradictions ripping the country, the region, and the world apart any more than masterfully-applied makeup can fix a stab wound. It can merely obfuscate.


If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.


Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel's destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.


The Country of the Week is still Palestine! Feel free to chime in with books, essays, longform articles, even stories and anecdotes or rants.


Here is the map of the Ukraine conflict, courtesy of Wikipedia.

The weekly update isn't coming because I'm sick and too focussed on the collapse of the Zionist entity.

Links and Stuff


The bulletins site is down.

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists

Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Add to the above list if you can.


Resources For Understanding The War


Defense Politics Asia's youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful.

Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.

Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.

Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don't want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it's just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.

On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists' side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.


Telegram Channels

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

Pro-Russian

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR's former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR's forces. Russian language.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.

https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster's telegram channel.

https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.

https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.

https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a 'propaganda tax', if you don't believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine

Almost every Western media outlet.

https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.

https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (3 children)

https://streamable.com/efk2kz

Israel Defense Forces on Twitter/X: — "From a comprehensive investigation and cross-checking of all the operational and intelligence systems, it is clear that the IDF did not attack the hospital in Gaza.

The hospital was damaged as a result of a failed launch by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization.

The terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip shoot indiscriminately at Israel, endangering and harming the residents of the Gaza Strip as well.

Since the beginning of the war, approximately 450 rockets have been launched by the terrorist organizations that fell in the Gaza Strip"

"We have investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong".

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[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken has called Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas to offer condolences and voice support for Palestinians’ “legitimate aspirations,” the State Department has said.

Fuck you

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Biden is now backing up Israeli lies about their strike on the hospital (per CNN):

Speaking alongside Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu, Biden said it appeared Tuesday's deadly blast at a Gaza hospital was "done by the other team, not you," echoing Israeli assertions that the bombing was caused by an Islamic Jihad rocket.

I really fucking hate Biden.

“But there’s a lot of people out there not sure, so we’ve got a lot, we’ve got to overcome a lot of things,” Biden added.

jfc, so to Genocide Joe, the biggest problem we face is that others think it was Israel that blew up the hospital, and they just need some convincing!?!?

amerikkka

A group of protestors blocked the entrance to the joint Australian-US Defence facility Pine Gap, near Alice Springs in a pro-Palestinian demonstration this morning.

A dozen people holding "Free Palestine" signs were chanting prayers and pro-Palestinian statements, centred around a singular protester who had their arm stuck inside a heavy concrete barrel.

It's believed nearly 100 staff and contractors at Pine Gap were prevented from entering the site.

Protestor and Central Arrernte man Declan-Furber Gillick said the group had gathered to take a stand against the Australian government's "appalling, shameful hypocrisy" in supporting "Israeli continued domination and occupation" of Palestinian lands.

"I reject the assertion that Hamas or any Palestinian group armed or otherwise instigated this war," he said.

"These recent responses by Hamas as an organisation are … the direct response to decades and decades and decades of repression of the Palestinian people."

Northern Territory police and emergency services attended the scene, directing the protestors off the road, while firefighters used an angle grinder to break the barrel open.

The main protester has since been arrested by police.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Since the morning, we are getting calls on our mobile phones with a recording by the Israeli army. It says any person who has returned to or is still in Gaza City is a terrorist and is considered a collaborator.

They say that whoever remains in Gaza City will bear the consequences.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Now that there are mass protests in Kurdistan, safe to say the US has permanently lost the middle east

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[–] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The government of Honduras has announced that it will promote a draft law to recognize and protect the rights of Indigenous and Afro-Honduran peoples, who represent 12 percent of the country's population.

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[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 1] He came to town like a midwinter storm He rode through the fields, so ancient and frail His eyes was his tools and his smile was his gun But all he had come for was havin' some fun

[Chorus] If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe? If it hadn't been for Genocide Joe I'd been married long time ago Where did you come from? Where did you go? Where did you come from, Genocide Joe?

[Verse 2] He brought disaster wherever he went The lives of the folks was to hell broken sent They all ran away so nobody would know And left only bodies 'cuz of Genocide Joe

[Chorus] repeats 4x

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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Wanna guess what the take from qanon types on Israel is? Well I’ll tell ya

The initial Hamas escalation was a false flag attack staged by the US to distract from the deaths caused by the jab and biden’s failing economy

Sounds like a chud word generator tbh, but it’s a whole side of tik tok lmao what no material analysis does to a mf

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[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 63 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Israel today: "We would never strike civilians"

Israel also today: "We demolished a mosque with civilians inside"

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (6 children)
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[–] Melina@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (15 children)

What happened to The Ukraine lmao

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Their savage and barbaric terrorism

Our modern and high tech Shock and Awe doctrine

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[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Before the war 400 trucks of commercial import/export a day went into Gaza.

Recently: 20 trucks of aid.

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US media: Aid trucks are going into Gaza.

[I made an edit. And then I had to yet second edit to improve on the first edit. One day I'll get the hang of this.]

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Went into an old Reddit thread on Ukraine from a year ago. Clicked on the posting histories for the most rabid pro-Ukraine accounts and every single one was rabidly pro-Israel. It really is like clockwork.

btw does the "Russian Military is weak" narrative have any merit to it? It gets spread around a lot in Western media and those who absorb a lot of Western media, but is there any truth to it?

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[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Could everybody post sources to what you're quoting? Nobody should trust a quote without a source.

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[–] sempersigh@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (6 children)

They just struck a mosque in the West Bank

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[–] TheGamingLuddite@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Get ready to hear "Project 2025" ad nauseum. I've seen a few identical astroturfed social media posts trying to scare people into voting for Democrats. It's infuriating to think about how many people donated to Bernie in 2022 only to have that money spent for PR firms to underpay workers in the global south to copy and paste messages telling Americans they should be terrified to demand anything left of Joe Biden. Statistically a nonzero percentage of the Bernie money was just handed to the media agency managing BrooklynDadDefiant.

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[–] vertexarray@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Biden says Gaza hospital blast ‘appears as though it was done by the other team’ and not Israel

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — President Joe Biden vowed to show the world that the U.S. stands in solidarity with Israelis during his visit there Wednesday, and offered an assessment that the deadly explosion at a Gaza Strip hospital apparently was not carried out by the Israeli military.

“Based on what I’ve seen, it appears as though it was done by the other team, not you,” Biden told Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu during a meeting. But Biden said there were “a lot of people out there” who weren’t sure what caused the blast.

Biden didn’t offer details on why he believed the blast was not caused by the Israelis.

Genocide Joe Rides Again

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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So is Israel even rescuing the Hostages? It seems like they have killed quite a few in their bombing campaign.

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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 62 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

CNN reporting that IDF says the hospital blast was caused by Hamas

This is hell, we’re getting a front row seat to genocide happening right before our eyes, but all we can do is watch because we don’t have the propaganda arm of the media on our side

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)

Twitter | Nitter

Now that we have surpassed 7K comments, the Twelfth Imam, Muhammad ibn al-Hasan al-Mahdi, shall reveal himself to the world.

https://hexbear.net/comment/4108717

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[–] wombat@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

literally everything the IDF says is a lie and their "evidence" is fake. How are people still falling for this shit after a year and a half of Ukraine disinformation

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[–] Sandinband@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago

Doctors drinking saline solution in Gaza sadness-abysmal

[–] Sasuke@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Exclusive: ‘Mutiny Brewing’ Inside State Department Over Israel-Palestine Policy

Morale is low, and some staffers are preparing to formally express their opposition to President Joe Biden's approach, officials told HuffPost.

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[–] Eldungeon2@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago

The media gaslighting people into believing the Shaggy "it wasn't me" defense

[–] Parsani@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago

"Are you telling me Israel "accidentally" attacked you and you didn't shut down the Suez Canal?"

[–] thethirdgracchi@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't even know what to say. We all know the depravity of the Zionist entity, but bombing a fucking hospital? Initial reports say over 800 dead. There is no hell deep enough. And nobody does a thing.

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[–] theother2020@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This has probably been said, but if Trump were president, the Dems/libs and even the West more broadly would be more critical of the war crimes in Gaza. Trump is a bridge too far for libs. I don’t think they would line up in lock step with him like they did with Dubya after 911. And make no mistake they hated Bush with a passion that was almost Trump Derangement Syndrome levels. Now of course the quirky artist has been thoroughly rehabilitated.

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Speechless at this — German Chancellor Olaf Scholz wants to reduce the number of refugees, and tells Der Spiegel, "We finally need large-scale deportations"

https://nitter.net/nthnashma/status/1715327313309516025#m

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

An interesting phenomenon that I noticed this year is how chuds said they could recruit Muslims because they opposed woke ideology, but threw that idea out of the window after Hamas became an enemy.

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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Massive protests happening....well literally everywhere

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[–] s0ngs0ng@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That explosion was definitely a JDAM the sound (that weezing noise before the explosion) the massive explosion and also the explosion was "upwards" too I'm sure of it. I was obsessed with JDAMs when I was a dumb teenager I thought those were cool (dumb teen shit) but now fuck that shit so much.

Death to America.

JDAM in action

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Israel bombed the hospital to prevent de-escalation? Plausible.

Psychotic though, given that I don't think they can win.

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[–] edge@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

My county commission just unanimously passed a resolution affirming support for Israel. After the hospital bombing. Part of the "whereas" section of the resolution - essentially the justification for the resolution - says the following (emphasis mine):

WHEREAS we encourage and support efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians who may be used as human shields to protect weaponry and leadership located and imbedded [sic] in civilian structures such as schools, hospitals, and mosques

Again, this was like 2 hours ago, long after the hospital bombing was well known. "...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...".

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

...efforts of Israeli leadership to reduce harm to uninvolved civilians...

screm-a AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Also, this is two days after a pro-Palestine rally was held in the city the county commission is based. A large portion of the protesters were Palestinian or otherwise Arabic. No way that nobody on the county commission thought about the rally before passing this. Reportedly around a dozen people registered to speak at the meeting, one of them had to have brought up the hospital. I don't know for sure though because I don't think they broadcast it.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Tonnes of equipment moving videos in Iran right now. Going to the border.

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[–] Trustmeitsnotabailou@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Folks

They are saying it

It's on my ig, it's on my tik tok

Genocidian Biden

The kids, folks

Even the kids are saying it

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