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Frankly, I think it gets a bit confusing when we lump every horrible authoritarian into the 'Nazi' bucket.
Not to validate Russia's assertion of any such authoritaranism in Ukraine, just broadly speaking to the 'they are a Nazi' accusations. Like even if a lot of these folks aren't "Nazis" they are still bad, but the language is like they might be fine so long as they aren't specifically a Nazi...
Ok legitimate question bc I've been having this debate for a while, and I'm genuinely curious to hear input and opinions on this.
What makes a Nazi a Nazi other than fascist behavior, a love of authoritarianism, and nationalism + socialism (but only for those who are deemed worthy/appropriate for the nation)?
In the U.S. they call themselves Christian Nationalists, but they do check all those boxes.
From what I've heard about Putin's take on nationalism, Christianity (via the Russian Orthodox church), and Russia's own form of national socialism being the ultimate goal/promise made/reward for patriots willing to fight for their country, they also check all the boxes.
So what makes them not Nazis other than they don't want to accept the label?
Many tankies are apologetic of Russian imperialism as well.
To Russians, 'Nazi' is not a political ideology or a party, it's simply "Whoever is against Russia right now". Are you against Russia? You're a Nazi, it's as simple as that. If they had to contend with the idea that Nazism is a political ideology, they'd have to start calling themselves Nazis, which doesn't work in the Russian psyche.
So, when Russians say that Ukrainians are Nazis, what they really mean is "Ukrainians are fighting back when we kill their children. That makes them enemies and therefore Nazis"
Yes. The current modern neo-nazis behave similarly: they claim only the others (the ones they don't like) are Nazis and their own kind just want the "freedom" to say and do what they like, e.g. get rid of people of color, or political opponents after that. They also frequently claim they're the victims themselves (e.g. claims of "white genocide" => whites "need to fight back")). But they would never call themselves Nazis even though they are doing Nazi things regularly. Fascists twist and redefine words and meanings to serve their own agenda.
Small correction: They go after political opponents, then minorities. Can't have organizations that can protect the minorities when you put them in camps.
It's more like what Russian government wants than actual reality.
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.
I'm beginning to suspect these Nazi folks aren't very honest.
The honesty of Nazis is a peculiar thing. In Sweden, the far-right party that the government collaborates with, who were started by literal ex-SS nazis and neo-nazis, have celebrated other ex-SS nazis, have worn swaztikas and so on. They have this "sociologist" guy whose argument for this party not being nazis anymore is basically "Look at Golden Dawn and other nazi organizations, they are open about them being nazis. Nazis are honest about being nazis. That is why the Sweden Democrats cannot be nazis, because if they were, they'd be open about it".
Which is fucking stupid because the Nazis initially weren't honest about being Nazis. There's a reason they called it National Socialism and not National Killjews-ism.
And every dumb fuck magat clings to that National Socialist name, unable to read any more about how right wing Nazis are.
They're the Reich wing for a reason.
or clever
nor do they give a shit about nazis within their own borders. skinheads raiding the few gay bars left is just another tuesday here.
I remember seeing a video posted fairly early on, showing a award ceremony where an LDR/DPR fighter was given medal for "his contributions to denazification". Both him and his commander was smugly smirking at each other. But what really tore it? The guy being awarded the medal was wearing shoulder patches featuring a Totenkopf and a Valknut.
I've lost count of the number of photos from Wagner Group youth camps featuring Nazi iconography. Never mind people like Dmitry Utkin and his tattoos.
Why is the governing party of Ukraine centre while Russia is far-right.
Not to mention how the little country treats queer people way better.
Well, yeah, the bar on that last one isn't high
just gotta beat one of the worst countries on earth for queer people
Because MAGA is in denial. They think Nazis are left wing.
No they don't, they very well know what they are. But they like to lie about it to deflect from it. That is what nazis do.
"BuT tHeY aRe ThE nAtIoNaLiSt socialists So ThEy MuSt Be LuBrEeLs" - these dipshits, while declaring themselves white nationalists
It's so easy to feel dumb people. The real problem is just how many people are dumb. Looking at education in the US, it's only gonna get worse.
“DEMOCRATS are the ones who wanted to KEEP SLAVERY” 🙄
Because the Nazi ideology is no globalistic in the sense that Russians can think they are the "master race" and Ukrainians can think that they are the "master race".
That said, "fighting again Nazis" is just Russian propaganda.
A lot of fascists are actually globalistic in the sense that they want to propagandise everyone to be isolationists, tribalistic and anti-democratic.
Tbf to Russia, during "operation gladio" the CIA funded ultra far right nationalist paramilitaries all across Europe which they paid for by running the heroine game out of Myanmar in collusion with the sicilian mob. It's the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
To be real with Russia, the idea that they could de-nazify another country when they couldn't even do it to themselves is a sick joke. However, the best lies have a grain of truth to them.
It's the main reason for the rise of the far right all across Europe.
Did Operation Gladio really contribute that much? Given the wave of not-quite-revolutions that hit Europe in the 60s I don't think I'd call the operation a success, and I'd say the decline from there is a self-inflicted affair with some Russian assists.
I wouldn't go as far as to say main reason tbf. Russia is also actively dabbling in that and quite actively supporting parties in parliaments all over Europe
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