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Who is still buying from Elon at this point?
Also, why aren't we buying European or Japanese EVs? Where are they?
There are no competitive Japanese EVs. European EVs are basically only available as premium brands outside of Europe.
I see plenty of Nissan Leafs on the roads. Sweden, EU.
There are no competitive Japanese EVs
Gonna have to agree there.
Years ago, I thought Toyota would pivot and become a forerunner in the EV revolution. They already put electric motors in their cars, they had hybrid versions of nearly everything they made a decade ago already!
Now it's been over a decade since Tesla made EVs an actual thing you could drive in the public's eyes... and the only electric Toyota that's not a van, that I can buy right now, is still the bZ4X which was kinda uninspiring when it came out.. let alone now.
At least earlier European electric cars (Volvo, BMW, Audi mostly) have started depreciating enough that they're in my ballpark now. I don't want to pay 30k EUR for a car that costs 30k EUR new, but I'll pay 30k EUR for a car that was 80k just 2-3 years ago. It's just one of my quirks, I want to get as much car as possible for as little money as possible, and to make up for it, I'll do my own repairs on formerly expensive, complex European automobiles.
Toyota made a huge mistake going all in on hybrid cars.
Hybrids are not a bad transitional technology, and Toyota's hybrids are better than anyone else's. Their much bigger strategic mistake was sinking hundreds of millions into developing hydrogen-powered cars that nobody wanted, at the neglect of building up EV expertise.
The problem with hydrogen isn't that no one wants the cars, it's that it fundamentally makes no sense.
And it never will.
Not true. They had record sales on their hybrids.
And still do. They're also about to release their solid state batteries, leapfrogging over lithium ion packs, which seems like the way to go considering people want more than 200-300 miles of range out of their vehicles.
Nazis with money. That's who
12k is still too high.
My thoughts exactly
I get why Americans might still buy them. But why the actual fuck would someone from the EU buy a Tesla now?
I see Teslas on the road here in England, but seldom one that looks new. The new EVs I see are Kias, Renaults, MGs, and a small but growing number of BYDs. Once in a while you'll see a new Jaguar EV or Polestar.
I don't get why Americans would still buy them but then again I'm not a Nazi or pedo
I realize this isn't a real question but the US doesn't have access to the cheap Chinese cars
The US has access to lots of cheap used EVs. What’s holding up American adoption isn’t cost, it is propaganda and charger access for renters.
They also don't have access to quality European cars without steep tariffs.
The US market is massively favoring American cars. Meaning they can only have shitty expensive American cars.
I just bought a used 4 year old VW ID.4 with 120.000 km (75.000 miles) on it, not a squeak to hear when I drive it. with Tesla they make noises already when delivered new from the factory!! At least the ones we get in Denmark do.
the US has very little choice in the EV space. Tesla is the cheapest and most technologically advanced. Anything else you buy here has some sort of compromise compared to the comparable Tesla product. I’d buy Renault if they weren’t banned here in the US.
0% finance which most other car companies don't offer.
Fleet buyers getting massive discounts probably
Not everybody reads the news or is online a lot.
Keep on "Winning", you nazi.
Quick give Elon more money!