To discuss how to grow and manage communities / magazines on Lemmy, Mbin, Piefed and Sublinks
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I don't feel like loops is ready for this exposure. Not yet.
If folks can't install it through the regular stores or even f droid then it may risk always being the complicated and nerdy alternative.
Kind of like Linux has problems getting out of the very techy reputation that it used to have
Agreed. I know you can technically browse tiktok on PC in a browser, but realistically that is not really how people interact with it.
As long as Loops doesn't have a phone app, it is not a TikTok replacement.
80% the people on TT, YT and IG are there to follow content creators that are only on those platforms to make money.
Until creators can easily make money on Fediverse platforms, they'll always play second fiddle to closed platforms that market and share profits, no matter how crappy the returns are.
Maybe it’s just me, but the influencer type content creators are part of what I’m fleeing from in the mainstream social media options. The internet is better without them. The gamification and monitization leads to enshittification. Reddit really started going to shit when the same people’s posts were always on the front page, and then you had the same people modding and gaming their communities to push it. I personally would hate if that happened to fediverse alternatives.
This. There are alternative video hosting platforms; none of them are really alternatives to YouTube itself until the content creators also move.
This sounds like an excellent feature. Fuck people trying to make money I wanna post stupid memes.
fucking awesome for Lemmy, kinda bad for video that takes 40 hour workweeks to produce.
No Lemmy?
PieFed > Lemmy (In my opinion)
I switched to PieFed a while ago, it's the same thing but better (IMO)
It also doesn't have any of the controversy that comes with Lemmy, and the UX is a lot better (IMO)
It also has quite a few nice features that Lemmy lacks. Try out both, see which you like.
Damn. Trashing Lemmy on Lemmy.
The person you’re replying to is actually coming here from Piefed, à la the magic of the fediverse.
That’s freedom.
In a way yes, because this post is in a community running on a Lemmy instance. But at the same time: The user was did not use Lemmy to write the Lemmy trashing :)
(And Lemmy is good. It's just, PieFed is so much better!)
If you're on mobile you probably won't really notice much of a difference, the mobile apps are yet to implement the new features.
Please elaborate. What’s better on Piefed?
Some additional features that PieFed has:
That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. Otherwise a more complete list can be found here: https://join.piefed.social/features/
It has more features than Lemmy atm, such as custom feeds, flairs or tags or whatever you call them, community moving, etc. (Some of which will also come to Lemmy in v1.0.0): https://join.piefed.social/features/
Since it uses Python and not Rust, it can be developed faster* => faster development and more first time contributions.
Of course it isn't perfect, it has its downsides as any other software. You might also find it more attractive if you don't like the Lemmy devs' political views.
Though it is a bit opinionated, it's good to have another alternative in the threadiverse.
How does one “move” to piefed? Do I keep my subscriptions and everything tied to my account?
You pick a piefed server and create an account there. You can transfer subscriptions, but that is not something i have done. Your content posted by your .world account stays with that account however.
Lots of people like piefed more than Lemmy. I haven't tried it much yet.
Its fun. Honestly though, we are so similar its like choosing apple or cherry pie. It comes down to preference.
Fediverse means lemmy/piefed/etc..etc... can thrive and we all have a better experience.
Piefed over Lemmy?
Literally moved yesterday from reddit when I got banned because I angrily pointed out some fascist was parroting Trump/Russian talking points. Apparently it's harassment to tell someone their wrong on a public forum
Reddit has a pro-fascist problem. Calling them out will get you banned.
wtf? you mean reddit -> lemmy right?
PieFed = Lemmy but better. (In my opinion)
They share the same content, but PieFed has more features and better UX.
I'm typing this from PieFed right now
Piefed is a perfectly fine alternative to Reddit.
My god, thank you for putting the names under the logos. I've seen too many people just put the logos without any text because it's "clean", but then the viewers have no idea what to search for lol
Lots of people are upset with the censorship happening on TikTok and are uninstalling TikTok, this image might be useful to show to them.
I wish Peertube had more content, although I may just be actual garbage at finding it.
I recently contacted a content creator at youtue asking if they might also share their content on peertube as they have the rights to do so. Maybe this is a way of getting more content.
Since the videos are already made for yt it shouldn't be a lot of more work to do for creators.
Users are trapped by the network effect and a desire for ease of use over anything else.
The corporate alternatives will always be an easier sell.
Twitter > Bluesky
Instagram > Upscrolled
TikTok > RedNote
Reddit > no corporate alternative
YouTube > no corporate alternative
Discord > no corporate alternative
To get the average user, you don't just have to convince them to leave Twitter, you have to convince them to leave corporate social media and all of their friends that still use it.
You have to convince them to accept additional inconvenience and complexity (@usernames and @instancenames?) in exchange for no direct, tangible benefit. (We know it's worth it, but the average user doesn't know and doesn't care.)
The people who could handle that are already here. Adoption going forward will be (at best) a slow trickle until we reach some level of critical mass.
Why people don't leave Reddit
Reddit has the advantage of years of community-built knowledge, and it's a "one-stop shop". Looking for the gaming community? Go to reddit, type in gaming, it'll be in the top 3, if not the top 10.
Go to the threadiverse, and you have to run the gauntlet of servers (what's an instance?), deferated instances (why can't I see XYZ?), and 20 communities with similar names (which gaming community is the "real" one?). The switching cost is too high for most as long as Reddit still exists.
Why people don't leave Discord
Discord is easy to set up, and they're digging their claws into game dev by making it easy to monetize communities (enshittification, here we come!).
~~Revolt~~ Stoat isn't federated, so each server is segregated from the others. As they grow, users will centralize for the sake of convenience. My bet is they either sell out or remain a niche alternative.
Element is (still) too complicated and unreliable. Audio sharing is inconsistent (no audio streaming on desktop screenshare, mics won't work, etc). Video calls aren't fully implemented.
::: spoiler Why people won't leave YouTube No one can match YouTube's sheer scale. They have billions of videos and billions of users. Their monetization system means that creators are incentivized to create quality content for the platform.
By contrast, PeerTube's best content is often mirrors or backups of content from other platforms. PeerTube is a great backup, but without monetization to incentivize creators, it's not a real alternative.
Piefed / Lemmy / Mbin
Agreed, but choice fatigue also needs to be considered. Pick your favorite and promote it to people.
I wish there were a better name that represents lemmy & piefed. I know "threadiverse" is probably the "correct" name but it's a bit... shit.
People are fleeing to another close source centralized app that’s not federated. People will use anything but Fediverse. :(
Well let's add facebook & discord alts as well.
Revolt got at cease and desist for the name. They renamed it to Stoat.
What's with Piefed? Isn't it just another Lemmy instance?
PieFed is a different software. Lemmy is written in Rust and has a certain set of features.
PieFed is a newer project, written from scratch in Python, by completely different people. It includes Lemmy's features and shows the same posts as Lemmy, but has additional features such as polls, events, feeds (which are the same thing as multireddits on Reddit), emoji reactions, flairs, notifications for new comments coming for some specific post or new posts coming in some specific community, messaging with Mastodon users, and some other stuff that fails to come to my mind right now :)
There are several PieFed instances: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
