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[–] RQG@lemmy.world 144 points 2 years ago (4 children)

As an outsider it seems absolutely weird that the US as a country seems to have accepted people getting shot by other regular people daily as normal.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Oprah Winfrey once said, everybody gets a gun, you get a gun, you get a gun, we all get a gun.

[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 30 points 2 years ago

Actual regular people haven't accepted it as normal. Fascists in our country continue to hamstring any efforts to fix the situation because they want the rest of us to keep being reminded that the fascists can and will murder us at will. Standard issue stochastic terrorism.

[–] Uniquitous@lemmy.one 14 points 2 years ago (4 children)

What else is there to do but accept it? It isn't like our politicians have the will to do anything about it. Peaceful protest falls on deaf ears. The gun crazies would gladly die in a blaze of glory rather than be disarmed. The country is awash in guns and ammunition. So please do tell, oh wise outsider, what the hell a normal person is supposed to do about it?

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[–] Jollyllama@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The guys was committed for two weeks and had threatened to shoot up a national guard base. They had the information to act on and take away his guns and they didn't because they didn't need to. This is even more fucked because it was probably avoidable.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are no red flag laws in Maine. There was no legal way to take his guns even if they thought that was necessary. Also, the christofacist supreme court is set to strike down laws that prevent people convicted domestic violence from owning guns, which will chip away at the legality of red flag laws everywhere. Happy Thursday everyone!

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

If he was a reservist, I'm pretty sure his commander could've ordered him to surrender his weapons.

And the bar under the UCMJ to do deal with a suicidal/homicidal troop is way lower than what it is for a civilian.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Almost all mass shootings were avoidable if that government really cared about solving this problem

[–] BigBlackCockroach@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

They do care, just not as much as they care about those sweet NRA and Colt checks 😩

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 85 points 2 years ago
[–] Fraylor@lemm.ee 71 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Fuck Reagan. He created this shithole of a situation and ruined this country. I'm happy he died of Alzheimers and simply pray he was terrified and miserable in the last moments of his life.

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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Every iteration of gun control, with few exceptions, carves out exceptions for LEOs and Military. If you want this to stop a good start would be making these guys have to follow the laws the rest of us do, because if you campaign for more of the same from your lawmakers, I guarantee there will still be exceptions for the people who protect the rich.

[–] _dev_null@lemmy.zxcvn.xyz 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm not aware of any federal exemptions to gun laws for military/ex-military citizens.

The only ones I've seen relate to state gun law in e.g. AZ, where if military/ex-military want a conceal carry permit, the training requirement is waived. You still have to submit an application with fingerprints and everything to DPS. (Which is kinda moot anyway, since AZ citizens who can federally own a firearm can also open/conceal carry.)

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago

Excerpt from the US version of the Prayer of the Lord: "... and give us today our daily ~~bread~~ mass shooting ..."

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

My Aunt and Uncle live there. I heard the news at around 11pm. Called her up to make sure they were ok. They are scared in there home with doors locked.

[–] Apollo2323@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 years ago

Yeah I mean its Maine , its not that common those things happened over there. Thanks god your family is okay!

[–] nyoooom@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

But "facts don't care about your feelings" or something like that...

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Hmmm, so all of those "well regulated militia means the national guard, the only people who should have guns are the cops and the national guard because they're the only ones responsible enough" people are going to finally admit that cops and weekend warriors aren't actually all that special and the training they recieve doesn't make them good people it only makes them more effective should they decide to be bad people?

[–] charles@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People who say that actually want a complete and total ban on guns, but acknowledge the constitution says what it says and amendments are literally impossible in today's political climate.

Also, one could argue a "well regulated" militia wouldn't send guns home with its members. It could be kept at a central facility.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I know they do, I was actually specifically calling that out, as they always say "nuh uh" when you point out that they do in fact want a total ban on self defense.

One could argue anything, doesn't make them actually correct. "The militia" is defined "as all able bodied males age 17-45," not as "the national guard, which is a military branch not a militia." As such, this argument says to me that "all able bodied males age 17-45" should be able to own guns and nobody else, no women, nobody in a wheelchair or with anything that would disqualify one medically from service like colorblindness, etc. Of course, that is ridiculous, but that's why I prefer the "actually knows english" approach to that particular argument.

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago (9 children)

Maybe you should differ between those people in active service and ex-soldiers with PTSD and mental issues that makes them hear voices...

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe they should differ. I think that anyone who hasn't proven themselves a danger to others should be able to own one, even people with PTSD which shouldn't be stigmatized simply because some people with it do violent things. Most people with PTSD do not.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately a fact that few are willing to recognize is that if you have been homeless in the US for more than 4 weeks there is a very high (like high 90s percent) chance that you have PTSD. It's not just the military, though us vets certainly have it as well. I'll also wager that anyone that has spent any amount of time in our jails also has PTSD. The point I'm making is that despite the common person thinking that PTSD is just exclusive to the military, it is in fact, not.

I haven't actually looked into it, but I would wager that globally we have better than 6 billion people walking around with some form of PTSD.

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[–] Jeff@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This timeline is a bad one. We need father time to make the old in power fade away so we can attempt to fix what the worst generation has broken.

[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I feel like there is a limitless supply of the people you are waiting to fade away.

[–] Varixable@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

We just need to help those people fade a little faster then.

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