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[–] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago

What nightmare scenario is that? Someone inciting an insurrection to steal an election? An insurrectionist just getting shrugged at with a "boys will be boys"? The Supreme Court waving through an insurrectionist and declaring him not only eligible but also above the law? The Supreme Court turning out to be bought wholesale? A criminal getting elected as president? The president illegally gutting all infrastructure designed to provide checks and balances to his power and installing toadies in all positions of power? The president committing war crime after war crime, bombing countries at a whim, kidnapping other countries' leaders, taking bribes and sending his personal paramilitary army of masked thugs to terrorise random brown people, disappearing them into concentration camps and depriving them of their most basic rights?

Which potential future nightmare scenario is no longer unthinkable here?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 85 points 3 days ago (9 children)

So this article has a narrow scope, it only considers two ways Trump might interfere:

This interference could take many forms. But recent events have increased experts’ level of concern about two possibilities in particular:

  • That the Trump administration will try to seize ballots and voting machines from key jurisdictions before votes have been fully counted.
  • That Trump will deploy ICE or other federal agents to the vicinity of critical polling places, so as to deter turnout among voters in general — and those with undocumented family members, in particular.

So for context, the people who don't think Trump will succeed are:

Wendy Weiser, the VP of the Brennan Center,

and Justin Levitt, a constitutional law scholar and prior Biden-era deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ's civil rights department.

For context about the Brennan Center:

The Brennan Center for Justice is an American liberal[2][3][4] nonprofit law and public policy institute. The organization is named after Supreme Court justice William J. Brennan Jr. The Brennan Center advocates for public policy positions including raising the minimum wage, opposing voter ID laws, and calling for public funding of elections.[5][6] Its operations are centered at the New York University School of Law. The organization opposed the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in Citizens United v. FEC, which held that the First Amendment prohibits the government from restricting independent political expenditures by nonprofit organizations.[7][8]

The stated mission of the Brennan Center is to "work to hold our political institutions and laws accountable to the twin American ideals of democracy and equal justice for all".[9] Its president is Michael Waldman, former speechwriter for President Bill Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brennan_Center_for_Justice

So why does the article say the attempts will fail?

“There is a very high risk that the administration will use every tool at its disposal to get voting machines or ballots in the course of an upcoming election,” the Brennan Center’s Weiser told me. “But I don’t think there is a high risk that they will succeed.”

“I think every magistrate judge in the country would understand the difference between a search warrant to seize materials for an election that happened five years ago and a search warrant to seize election materials from an election in progress,” Levitt said. “I understand why people are worried. But it’s not remotely the same.”

So Weiser and Levitt think rule of law will prevail and the courts will not grant Trump the authority to seize election materials during the election.

What about ICE?

Even just having ICE presence at polling stations could deter certain voters, it's hard to say what the aggregate effects of these measures might be, from the article:

Their reasoning is simple: If ICE is harassing residents and causing traffic jams in heavily Democratic precincts, fewer Americans will make it to the voting booth in those areas. And voters with undocumented family members may be especially likely to stay home.

“Trump wants to project ICE as an all-powerful force everywhere,” Levitt said. “And they are, as Minneapolis is proving emphatically, not. There simply aren’t enough ICE personnel to blanket a modestly large city. We live in a big country. And it is hard to control through fear.”

Even in the Twin Cities — where Trump deployed some 3,000 immigration enforcement agents — ICE’s presence seems to have mobilized Democratic voters, rather than deterring them. In a special election on January 27 for Minnesota House district 64A, the Democratic candidate defeated her Republican opponent by a 91-point margin. In 2024, a Democrat had won the seat by 66.6 percentage points.

“There is clearly an effort afoot to interfere in our elections and that is something that people should be alarmed about,” Weiser said. “But this can be thwarted. And it must be.”

So the argument is that ICE doesn't have enough manpower for this strategy to work across the US, and attempting to use ICE this way could backfire and result in stronger Democratic wins like we saw in Minnesota.

What isn't mentioned are other ways Trump could attempt a coup or election interference that might ignore the constitution - the two individuals who are doubtful Trump will succeed are assuming the law will be respected and followed, and they don't consider other possibilities.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Also, ICE doesn't need to be everywhere, they need to be at a few dozen key locations in swing states.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 36 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah...... People seem to be forgetting that bush stole an election via the brooks brothers riot in one county. With just how fucked up the American electorial system evolved it only takes one country to vastly change the course of American history.

As far as the courts, just in the last couple years we've seen the judicial branch is more than willing to reinterpret history and law to empower the current administration.

[–] marx@piefed.social 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The bigger the blowout is, the less marginal risk that any given precinct being fucked with can alter the outcome in his favor. Even greater reason to mobilize the vote as much as possible.

The electoral college also has nothing to do with the midterms.

It's important to identify threats, but it's also critical not to aggrandize their power and make them appear invincible. They are desperate to instill defeatism into the ranks of their opposition. But their bravado betrays their weakness.

They absolutely rely on the obedience of various pillars of support throughout society to retain their power and legitimacy. Those pillars can be convinced and/or forced to cease their obedience and in some cases to actively provide support to the opposition. None of this is new or unique to America. Tyrannical regimes have been removed from power many time through nonviolent mass movements. We can learn from them if we choose to. UrEgBj03hDxV26s.png

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Excellent post. Thank you for taking the time.

I can only add that if we keep on showing up to resist, to make our peaceful non-consent loud and obvious like we did on the last Friday in January, the less support any of this planned and possible election fuckery will have. The people who desperately want to get or keep power do not want to actually have to take on the public hate of the entire country, like ICE has. But it's up to us.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

yes, I do think they under-anticipate the way that ICE could be used surgically - just flipping a few elections could be crucial ...

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm concerned that they've already undermined trust in the elections so much that neither side will accept a losing outcome as legitimate. The larger attack on democracy has already succeeded. I hope I'm wrong.

[–] borkborkbork@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

I think the GOP's support for trump has always been an endgame. Demographically speaking - their party was dying. This was always one last chance to drive the bus completely off the cliff - destroy education, trust in institutions, the US's international cooperation from aid to NATO, wreck it all, if they can't drive the bus forever then no one gets to.

Like we see from the files, it's a cabal of evil fucks from a huge variety of motivations - racists, sexists, climate denial, oligarchs and techbros all lining up together to fix this whole liberal democracy problem.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

So the argument is that ICE doesn’t have enough manpower for this strategy to work across the US

Anyone who doesn't understand this, has no idea how much goes into everyone voting in person within the same 12 hour period...

What I think he'll try, is claiming Dem states aren't competent to run elections and appointing his own people to run, and rig, the elections in blue states.

And he'll specifically target states run by neoliberals he knows won't fight back.

Cali has a shit ton of electoral votes, and Newsom would prefer Republicans steal the election if he's not the Dem candidate, so he'd probably just make some token complaints, have an intern post some memes, and then let it happen hoping it gives him a shot at 2032

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Didn't the Brennan Center come up with scenarios in his first term but didn't anticipate an angry mob ransacking Congress as one of them?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago

that would be good to know, but based on their analysis here I would absolutely not be surprised that they just ignored extra-judicial methods like a full-on coup ...

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What isn't mentioned are other ways Trump could attempt a coup or election interference that might ignore the constitution

There really aren't any other ways which don't fall into either "entirely protected speech" or "instigation of civil war".

Trump is free to claim his party won the midterms, and even file nuisance suits in the courts. And we shouldn't assume he wouldn't try to just declare who won or try and interfere with the formation of the much-bluer 120th Congress. But all permutations are either things he's as free as anyone to do, things that likely won't work, or things that would start a civil war.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump literally instigated an insurrection ... I don't know why "starting a civil war" doesn't seem like a straightforwardly likely path for him ... in particular I think that will be most likely at the end of his term, just like last time. The question is whether his coup will be successful this time, even though it failed last time. He has been more careful this time to appoint positions with loyalists (think JD Vance rather than Mike Pence), and has been purging the military with this in mind.

We are far from being confident that Trump won't succeed in another coup attempt.

At least I take comfort knowing that even if he does succeed in a coup, he doesn't have much life left - it won't be as bad as when the fascists won in Spain (36 years of fascist rule under Franco), or as bad as Stalin's rule (29 years).

Trump is 79 years old right now, he is very likely to survive the next 3 years (the rest of his term), but the average life expectancy of men in the US is 76 years, and his life expectancy is probably less than a decade.

This is a cult of personality, I find it unlikely MAGA will have much success post-Trump.

[–] DomeGuy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

We are far from being confident that Trump won't succeed in another coup attempt.

This entirely depends on what you mean by "succeed".

Would you consider the Confederate States of America (nominally founded during and extinguished by the 19th century US civil war) a "success"?

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

a secession is different than a coup, a coup is successful if there is a transfer of power (or the constitutional transfer of power fails, like when Trump tried to prevent Biden from taking office) ... and yes, even if Trump led a coup and was in power for a short time like the short life of the Confederacy, I do think retaining power after his constitutional term would be a "success" in the sense that I mean

and I do think the Confederacy successfully seceded from the Union, even if it didn't last long

and in a broader sense the Confederacy succeeded in many ways even if we acknowledge they lost the war - after Lincoln's assassination, the South was met with appeasements and there was a failure to integrate or enforce rule of law in the South ... from the perspective of Black lives at the time, I would say the South definitely succeeded in maintaining their power and control, and we see this even in the ways that massacres of tens of thousands of Black folks in the South after the civil war went unpunished: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedmen_massacres

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Maybe we should start organizing to prevent this fuckery at the polls so people can feel safe to vote?

How to organize a rapid response from a very high level with further detailed resources. https://southerncoalition.org/resources/rapid-response-101/

Good general advice on organizing, also a good resource to find groups near you that are likely aligned. https://www.fiftyfifty.one/organizer-resources

[–] No1@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Isn't the most foolproof method -and one that Trump has floated previously- just to not hold the elections?

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Constitutionally, elections are governed by the states. He can't just stop elections. The federal executive literally has zero power over them, and that is by design.

The country's election system is highly decentralized. While the U.S. Constitution does set parameters for the election of federal officials, state law, not federal, regulates most aspects of elections in the U.S., including primary elections, the eligibility of voters (beyond the basic constitutional definition), the method of choosing presidential electors, as well as the running of state and local elections. All elections—federal, state, and local—are administered by the individual states, with many aspects of the system's operations delegated to the county or local level.

But what he could do, and what I think he was or is planning on doing, is to try to create conditions to dissuade states from holding elections, like inciting disorder with ICE, as he tried in Minnesota, to then use as an excuse to invoke martial law. A state could then decide, based on its own constitution, what to do in that situation, including postponing to some future date "to be determined" later.

Fortunately, public outrage is now such that I think there will be such a voter turnout that some of what he tried in 2020 -- calling state election officials and ordering them to "find him votes" like he did Raffensperger in Georgia -- is dead in the water.

Or to put it another way, if we keep protesting and showing up like we did in January, I don't think anyone at the state or local level is going to have the courage to "find" him jack shit, because they know they'll be facing a mob if they do.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 9 points 3 days ago

Even Putin holds elections. He held elections in annexed Ukraine, too.

And holding elections at all keeps Trump's rule somewhat stable. If we know we'll get another election, "we can all vote a little harder to get him out". If elections simply don't happen anymore, then people may seek other means to remove Trump, like assassination.

[–] dandelion@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago (2 children)

not sure why you think that's "foolproof" - he has no authority to do that, and it seems tantamount to a coup to stop elections without constitutional grounds

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[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 46 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Governors need to call up their national guard, and place them around their state's vulnerable election infrastructure, with orders to prevent illegal interference in their local elections.

ICE can probably outman and outgun any local police department, outside of major ones like NYPD or LAPD, but not the national guard.

Trump would be forced to bring in the actual military to steal the election by force. At that point, he either has the support for a coup, or he doesn't.

[–] Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Wouldn't be just federalize the NG at that point, though?

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

That would require a valid reason to do that. Not that I have faith in the checks and balances of the USA, but that would require an extra step

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 4 points 3 days ago

The members of the NG aren't mindless drones. They have stakes in their elections being honest.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 23 points 3 days ago

In an executive order last spring, Trump asserted that, if a mail-in ballot arrives after Election Day, states cannot legally count it. Currently, many states — including Nevada and Virginia — count ballots that arrive shortly after Election Day, if they were postmarked on time.

In that same executive order, Trump called on the Election Assistance Commission to decertify every voting machine in the United States — and then recertify only those that met an exacting set of requirements. As The Atlantic’s David Graham notes, it’s not even clear that the government could procure enough voting machines to meet these new standards in time for November’s midterms.

Regardless, courts blocked both of these measures. Yet each established a rationale for the administration to reject any future election results that it did not like: This November, several states will count mail ballots in a manner that the White House has formally declared illegal, while virtually every precinct in the country will use voting machines that it has deemed untrustworthy.

I've been trying to keep track of their various attempts to steal the Midterms, and figured the most likely way was to instigate violence, then invoke Martial Law, and suspend elections until peace is restored, which will never happen, since he controls the peace.

I hadn't even considered this strategy, but it makes sense. We saw on Jan 6 that he had a Plan B, with the seditious False Electors Plot, so it makes sense that he'd have a Plan B for the Midterms, and probably a Plan C and D, too.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Carry a firearm and train.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago

Remember this isn't about whether or not they fail. It's the fact that they are cocky enough to do it in the first place.

[–] GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

”I think every magistrate judge in the country would understand the difference between a search warrant to seize materials for an election that happened five years ago and a search warrant to seize election materials from an election in progress,” Levitt said.

Fairly certain my concern isn’t whether they understand the difference, it’s whether they’ll care. MAGAt has been installing loyalist judges for a while, sure they got at least one in their pocket in each district?

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

The legal system? No justice there....

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago

Community organization of citizens is needed. Some thoughts:

  1. Before the elections, they're going to try and purge eligible voters off the rolls, especially ones they consider likely democratic voters. (Part of what DOGE accomplished was acquiring and collating detailed government records on everyone and ways to query that data for their purposes, like this one). So people who get purged may need help a) finding out in time that they were purged and b) getting re-registered, which could mean help with trips to offices and funds for fees so if needed they can get their birth certificate/marriage license or other required documents.

  2. Everyone should vote early if they can. We don't even know if the Post office can be trusted with mail ballots either, so if you're in a vote-by-mail state, if possible, take your ballot to the election office ahead of time and hand it in personally. Either way, we need to organize rides to/from the election office for anyone who needs them so as many people as possible can vote early and minimize the number of people having to go to the polls on election day. That way if they do seize ballots from some stations, fewer votes would be lost.

  3. Scouts in the areas near the polling places to call in any locations ICE shows up at and monitoring/reporting what they see back to the central group, who could send people there to record them.

  4. Then we need ideas how to make sure people can still safely get in to vote if ICE is there, without disrupting anything, if that's possible. Maybe some civil rights lawyers or ACLU would have advice. In any case, documenting what they do is important. There are laws on how close people are allowed to a polling station but we could have multiple people filming from different angles and of any doors in/out. It would be good if the elections office could have cameras installed inside the locations, at least ones in "swing" districts where feds would be likely to try and interfere.

[–] Rhoeri@piefed.world 14 points 3 days ago (21 children)

It’s not going to fail. I hope I’m wrong, but I don’t think we will see the outcome we’d like to see.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (21 children)

We must assume it will. We know these people are incredibly incompetent and of the 3 estimated tracks I theorized (in risk planning), Trump is somewhere between the lowest and middle tier of inflicting tyranny.

Game Theory is that we must be viligent and also assume they will be legit and drive turnout for Democrats.

(to those who criticize the AIPAC Dems and what not, now is the time to get involved in Dem primaries to get more progressives in).

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[–] 3jane@piefed.ca 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Trump will be trying to steal the election in lots of different ways simultaneously. This article doesn't even get to the ID law he's trying to pass, where your birth certificate must match your current ID, or you have to also supply all intervening name changes (such as through marriage and divorce).

Also, trump is using facial recognition software and other data that will allow them to pull non-trumpy voters out of the lineup for additional time-consuming harassment over their ID. Voting times may be cut off.

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/01/22/trump-has-already-rigged-the-2028-presidential-election-us-defence-insider/

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 5 points 3 days ago

Nothing to see here. Move along!

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