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Self-driving cars are often marketed as safer than human drivers, but new data suggests that may not always be the case.

Citing data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Electrek reports that Tesla disclosed five new crashes involving its robotaxi fleet in Austin. The new data raises concerns about how safe Tesla’s systems really are compared to the average driver.

The incidents included a collision with a fixed object at 17 miles per hour, a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped, a crash with a truck at four miles per hour, and two cases where Tesla vehicles backed into fixed objects at low speeds.

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[–] Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago

Clearly, AI isn't just challenging human performance, it's exceeding it. Four times the crash rate is just the beginning. Just imagine the crash rate when super intelligence comes!

🚘💥🚗

[–] HarneyToker@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Got this saved next time someone tells me that a robot can drive better than a human. They almost had me there, but data doesn’t lie. 

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

A robot can theoretically drive better than a human because emotions and boredom don't have to be involved. But we aren't there yet and Teslas are trying to solve the hard mode of pure vision without range finding.

Also, I suspect that the ones we have are set up purely as NNs where everything is determined by the training, which likely means there's some random-ass behaviour for rare edge cases where it "thinks" slamming on the accelerator is as good an option as anything else but since it's a black box no one really understands, there's no way to tell until someone ends up in that position.

The tech still belongs in universities, not on public roads as a commercial product/service. Certainly not by the type of people who would at any point say, "fuck it, good enough, ship it like that", which seems to be most of the tech industry these days.

[–] greygore@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

This is more specific to Tesla than self driving in general, as Musk decided that additional sensors (like LiDAR and RADAR on other self driving vehicles) are a problem. Publicly he’s said that it’s because of sensor contention - that if the RADAR and cameras disagree, then the car gets confused.

Of course that raises the problem that when the camera or image recognition is wrong, there’s nothing to tell the car otherwise, like the number of Tesla drivers decapitated by trailers that the car didn’t see. Additionally, I assume Teslas have accelerometers so either the self driving model is ignoring potential collisions or it’s still doing sensor fusion.

Not to mention we humans have multiple senses that we use when driving; this is one reason why steering wheels still mostly use mechanical linkages - we can “feel” the road, we can detect when the wheels lose traction, we can feel inertia as we go around a corner too fast. On a related tangent, the Tesla Cybertruck uses steer-by-wire instead of a mechanical linkage.

This is why many (including myself) believe Tesla has a much worse safety record than Waymo. I’ve seen enough drunk and distracted drivers to believe that humans will always drive better than a ~~human~~ robot. Don’t get me wrong, I still have concerns about the technology, but Musk and Tesla has a history of ignoring safety concerns - see the number of deaths related to his desire to have non-mechanical handles and hide the mechanical backup.

[–] BlindFrog@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

humans will always drive better than a human

Typo, or what did you mean?

[–] greygore@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Whoops! Definitely a typo. Thanks for the catch!

[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago

Other robots might be able to, but I wouldn’t trust a Tesla RoboTaxi get me safely across a single street.

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[–] Bazoogle@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

a crash with a bus while the Tesla vehicle was stopped

Okay, idk why we would blame this one on the self driving car...

a collision with a heavy truck at 4 mph, and two separate incidents where the Tesla backed into objects, one into a pole or tree at 1 mph and another into a fixed object at 2 mph.

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The difference is a lot of these are never reported when it's done by a human driver. I very highly doubt the rate is 4x higher than humans. I'm not saying the self driving cars are good. I am just saying human drivers are really bad.

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[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Only 4x? Wao, they're way better than I expected then.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's Austin. The traffic is so shitty you can't go fast enough to get in a wreck most of the time.

I live in the area, and can confirm anecdotally that the Teslas are bad drivers and the Waymos generally are excellent.

[–] spacebread98@lemmy.zip 7 points 6 days ago

I thought ai was going to replace all jobs in a year and a half

[–] FreddiesLantern@leminal.space 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Rogan: so eaaauhm, yeah that’s definitely a thing huh? But you know all progress must go uphill without breaking a few eggs…right?

Musk: makes that stupid nazi face where he’s smoking weed So we’re going to make Grok a subscription model that watches you sleep in your car as we plug you into the bio battery of your Tesla. Then your mind gets used to train AI models as you’re driving. But you know, I’m expecting that to work last month, give or take a year or 10.

Rogan: Pluggin in huh? How’s that work?

Musk: Either a port in the back of your arm or an arm up your back, not sure yet.

Rogan: Wow, … so anyway wanna do some dmt?

We can plug it in if you want.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Hopefully, the French judicial system will throw his worthless pedo neo-Nazi ass into prison.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Curious how the French have jurisdiction over Austin?

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

"In the recorded history of what is now the U.S. state of Texas, all or parts of Texas have been claimed by six countries: France, Spain, Mexico, the Republic of Texas, the Confederacy during the Civil War, and the United States of America." [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Texas ]

Does THIS answer your question? That's right, Captain. Put'em up! Or shall I say... peut demains apres?

EDIT: It's the Epstein files. The French are investigating. Musk is in them.

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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Are we surprised?

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 5 days ago

Time to start spray painting "death machine" on them.

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