Low estimates are nine million dead and the high estimates are that he killed thirty million of his citizens.
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Western propaganda! TO THE GULAGS WITH YOU.
Oh never mind Stalin was nine to thirty million dead Lenin was only four to fourteen million.
I keep confusing these mass murdering communist heads of state.
Oh, I thought you were talking about Zedong... D:
His number is forty to seventy million dead.
High score so far.
did someone mention Deng Xiaoping?
Okay Stalin was just a dipshit but most people you're counting against Lenin died in circumstances legitimately out of his control (the civil war and the famine resulting thereof). He was still a dipshit, but not a mass murdering dipshit.
I mean, I don't know how much blame I'd ascribe to Lenin, but his 'war communism' policy was very much a contributor to the famine.
I mean true but save for some weird decisions (something something bag men) that strictly goes under the war part; I can forgive the Bolsheviks for not pulling punches while fighting literal fascists, and they did address the problem as soon as they knew about it. War communism didn't need to be as brutal or as far-reaching as it was, but for the most part it was an acceptable play in a terrible situation.
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But Lenin has a fancy sarcophagus so he gets a free pass.
It's ironic that you say "sarcophagus" because the only reason Lenin was mummified was that King Tut's tomb had been discovered just before his death. Pravda had covered the discovery extensively and the Bolsheviks decided to capitalize on Tut's popularity by preserving Lenin's corpse -- in hilariously amateurish fashion, since mummification was not something regularly done in Russia.
Also, Stalin was hot when he was young, so we can fix him.
It's not that fancy though. I found it deeply unimpressive honestly.
Psh, Ho Chi Minh's is better
Bro, I mix them up too. Don't worry. I know that Lenin came first and that he didn't want Stalin to take over after him because he was too radical or something. But saying no to Stalin is like saying no to Putin. The word doesn't exist to them. But when it comes to numbers and statistics of who did what, I fuck it up constantly. I'm also not at all super knowledgeable about Russian history. Had a brief obsession with the Romanov dynasty, which is its own can of fucked up worms, but when it comes to communism, it's just so uniquely awful and demotivating to hear and read about that I tune out. Communism to my brain, is the gray apartment blocks where everything looks the same and there is no life and beauty anywhere.
Nitpicking but Gulag is singular and it's the division in control of the camps, where you'd be sent. It's like saying to the Pentagon with you
TIL, but in common speech gulag is always used for the camp itself.
What are you referencing? Even in the most anti communist historical interpretations the vast amount of deaths are usually attributed to Stalin, not Lenin.
If we're talking about the holodomor..... That began in 1932, roughly 8 years after Lenin had already died.
I'm not claiming that there aren't any valid criticisms of the Russian revolution, however I think attributing all that criticism to Lenin is just historically inaccurate.
We also have to view history within the context of their own time when evaluating things like social morality. Was the Soviet revolution devoid of crimes against humanity, no. But I think it would be hard to argue that it wasn't a vast improvement compared to the literal tyrannical rule of the Romanov family.
Lenin is responsible for a huge amount of deaths during the revolution, during the civil war and after. This whole story of "Lenin was good and then Stalin corrupted the revolution" is actually rooted in the propaganda of Khrushchevs destalinisation. But if you read a good biography of Lenin, you will find out that was totally fine with all the political murders
Lenin is responsible for a huge amount of deaths during the revolution, during the civil war and after
I would say that the Romanov are the party who are largely responsible for the deaths during the revolution. Some kind of revolution was going to happen in Russia, and just reducing all the blame on Lenin ignores the context of the actual fractious nature of the revolution.
This whole story of "Lenin was good and then Stalin corrupted the revolution" is actually rooted in the propaganda of Khrushchevs destalinisation.
Again, I didn't say he was a nice guy. My claim was that it's straight up ahistorical to claim he murdered 9 million people.
if you read a good biography of Lenin, you will find out that was totally fine with all the political murders
What is a revolution if not a collection of political murders? Again, we have to view the revolution with context and measure them against their contemporaries. It's not as if the revolution happened to a ruling government that was unfamiliar with political murders themselves.
I would say that the Romanov are the party who are largely responsible for the deaths during the revolution. Some kind of revolution was going to happen in Russia, and just reducing all the blame on Lenin ignores the context of the actual fractious nature of the revolution.
Would you like to remind me what kind of mass violence there was between February and October in 1917
It’s not as if the revolution happened to a ruling government that was unfamiliar with political murders themselves.
Would you like to remind me what provisional government and elected legislature the Bolsheviks actually performed their revolution against?
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usually, claims to Lenin are about anarchists in a Finnish port
First of all, I don't really know of anyone calling Konstadt rebellion to be led by anarchist. They were ardent communist who became disillusioned over time due to poor working conditions.
Secondly, out of the 15k men who held the fort, it's thought that around 10k escaped to Finland during the fighting, all while killing around 10k soldiers of the red army.
I don't really think this really fits within the scope of the argument that Lenin murdered 9 million people.
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Churchill starved 4 million Bengali to death.
And the high estimates of excessive deaths in British occupied India is 100 mil?
So because British imperialism was bad, mass death in the Soviet Union was okay?
It seems like you're learning the wrong lessons from history...
It’s that same style whataboutism that Trumpers love to do: “what about Biden?” It’s fucking annoying and I hate Joe Biden. When your only argument is pointing to what someone else did, you don’t really have an argument.
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Sounds like we all agree that IMPERIALISM BAD. Glad that's been cleared up
Cool. The first one still happened.
Watch it, you'll summon the .ml tankies defending War Crimes
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