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I was talking to a Polish friend about Polish politics. He said in Poland, like in the US, they had both conservative and liberal parties - but that the topics for debate were different. In Poland, the conservatives agreed with the liberals on things like healthcare funding, supporting higher education, and funding transit projects. All these things were non-issues in Polish politics.
"Well," says I, "Then I'm confused. If the conservatives and liberals agree on all those things, then what makes them different? What makes the conservatives, conservative?"
"Ah, you see," he says, "They're racist. That's the whole thing - they're just racist."
I'm convinced the reason the US doesn't have universal anything is because "but then the blacks would get it."
That's honestly it. Right wing Americans don't want other people to get access to things. They think rights are a pie. If 'they' get a slice, I'll end up with less of it. Rather it's actually a bakery... You pay into it and you just get pie.
That's an interesting analogy I've never heard before. Thanks for sharing
I watched a documentary about USA and there was a lady who said she didn’t want universal healthcare because she shouldn’t want to pay other people’s healthcare. As a European citizen I couldn’t understand the logic, are everyone in the USA so individual citizens that they only care about themselves, not anyone else?
Someone pointed out that with the current system of healthcare insurance, you are literally paying for other people's healthcare.
I have had that conversation with Americans on social media. I tried explaining to them paying a private insurance company does actually pay for other peoples healthcare, and that it is not banking money for your own care. They couldn't grasp the idea, and couldn't understand how a single system ( that is government funded ) ends up providing cheaper insurance because there is no profit and everyone pays into it.
Lack of critical thinking for many Americans.
Always has been
"Healthcare funding, supporting higher education, and funding transit projects [unless you're a foreigner]"
Ah, you see," he says, "They're racist. That's the whole thing - they're just racist."
That's fundamentally the same everywhere, much the same in Australia but to an extent only part of the story
Gets fuzzier around womens, LBQTI rights, lot of religious shit baggery there, as there is in Poland, Hungary etc
They don't want universal healthcare in the US because brown skinned people might use it.
That's because "conservative" isn't an ideology, and it never has been. Conservativism has two core beliefs: "conservatives" refers to a specific group of people defined by common traits, and those are the good people. Each tranche of conservatives defines their own identity, and then they define whatever they want as "conservative values."
This German guy on the train probably is very conservative. He is not more progressive than an American conservative. He has simply defined his group of conservatives to include the people who benefit from universal healthcare. He sees the value to his own group, and so he supports it.
They'd also be able to express how they believe an immigrant doesn't deserve healthcare. Either that they deserve the healthcare of their homecountry, or that they aren't a part of 'everyone', be that German, or otherwise.
Without any congitive dissonance.
I really don't think this is an accurate description of what an average ageing conservative German is.
Conservative means what it means - people who want to conserve rather than change, and are comfortable with how things are and, in their opinion, have always been. It's a naïve world view based on a lacking understanding of how society changes. The people who hold it tend to be of privileged groups who can afford to be blind to injustice. That doesn't mean they are fans of it - their privilege has just left them with a blind spot, and when injustice is pointed out to them they tend to blame those showing it to them for creating it in the first place. Again, they are not brilliant people, but they're generally not evil, just a bit dumb.
When American self-proclaimed conservatives storm the Capitol building and make an active effort to fuck up their country as much as humanly possible they are not conservative in the same way some Günther riding the Deutsche Bahn is conservative. Similarly, I'm not a socialist in the same way Pol Pot was a socialist.
American fascists have intentionally stripped the word "conservative" of meaning, and if we accept their narrative we allow them to make us dumber.
I'm not saying CDU and CSU are brilliant parties, but the fundamental idea of German conservitivism is not the idea of "conservatives" as a select group of people for which society should work. If anything this is a description of populism.
Conservatism is an ideology, and has been one since the time of the French Revolution.
In the US "Conservative" means you worship billionaires and just do whatever the politicians that serve those billionaires tell you to do.
There is no difference here in Germany… 🥺
same people fund the propaganda outlets for all of em
Everything is mixed up over there. If you're a patholic lier, they think you speak the truth. If you rape kids and hide the evidence they make you President...
Yes, the centrist position in the US is some people have to starve and die in order to keep minimum wage workers motivated to keep working. The left right divids in US Congress is over how many exactly should starve and die.
Pretty sure they didn't have to "break the news" on that.
As if anyone cares what they would be "in america" as a non-american. Human existence is not defined by the US perspective.
Okay so out to the people here, am I a conservative based on the following information?
Things I like: Free healthcare, pro-choice, strong military, 2SLGBTQ+ rights, properly vetted immigration, freedom of speech/religion/belief SO LONG AS it doesn't hurt/oppress anyone, free trade, higher taxes on wealthier people irrespective of whether their wealth is cash or assets, SENSIBLE gun control, investment in education/science, capital punishment in very rare circumstances, lower taxes if possible, environmentally conscious decisions, nuclear power.
I have always considered myself a conservative, though I have been voting Liberal. I just can't stand that little shit stain running the Conservative party in my country.
Why do you consider yourself a conservative if you don't actually support the goals of the conservative movement?
Progressive.
Centrist
Labels are useless as their meanings keep changing across time and contexts, and as soon as you adapt one for yourself people will either resent you for your choice of label or for not being holy enough (you're a progressive but you believe people should be allowed to own guns and you honestly think free trade isn't killing the planet and you believe in death penalty? Blah blah blah).
It's more useful to think in terms of ideological cleavages. On the scale of authoritarianism to personal freedoms you believe in LGBTQ+ and women's rights to control their own bodies. Properly vetted immigration could mean many things but is generally indicative of being on the right. Believing in death penalty and emphasizong strong military further pushes you to the right on this scale. Sounds like somewhere centre right on that dimension.
Along the economic dimension you believe in taxing the rich and providing universal welfare, placing you left of centre. "Lower taxes if possible" I guess then goes for low income folks, and is very much in line with taxing the rich in a society like the US - the "if possible" is key, as it seems you're willing to prioritize the wellbeing of your neighbours. Investment in education and science is also left on this dimension.
Another useful dimension is secular/religious, where you appear to be pretty secular. I guess that explains your opinions about abortion and LGBTQ+ in spite of being more on the authoritarian spectrum, as the religious parts of conservativism seems less important to you.
If the word "conservative" hadn't been ruined I'd say you're closer to a conservative than a progressive. But in the political climate of current-day America I guess you're a dangerous far-left radical.
Now ask him if Christianity should play an official role in the German government. Or if he objects to people practicing cultures other than German in Germany. Both of those would be radically far-right in North America, but are pretty standard in Europe.
What's going on here is that people tend to arrange themselves along a left-to-right line, but where exactly in the multidimensional space of viewpoints that line cuts through varies dramatically between times and places. It even inverts - your Prussian conservative would have taken a much dimmer view of free markets than a contemporary to their political left.
At this point thinking that mass murder is a bad thing appears to be far left radical in america.
Luckily for the rest of the world noone cares what would count as far radical left in dumbfuckistan.
In Hungary, thanks to the utter incompetence of Ferenc Gyurcsány and the early adoption of alt media by the right, it was considered a "right wing" value to oppose mass privatization. When Fidesz won, they pulled a covert 360 on it, by letting the government to have a maximum of 25% share in select companies, but secretly continued the privatization project, especially if it involved giving the schools to churches.
Prost!