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The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.

There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage.

― John Steinbeck, The Grapes of Wrath

[–] SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 68 points 6 days ago (6 children)

40% thrown away does not necessarily imply all others are better.

Normally imperfect produce goes to processing plants (juice, cans, pies etc.) but I'm not sure if there's any significant market for banana chunks/puree.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 28 points 6 days ago

There are some frozen fruit mixes that use banana chunks. Also some that use frozen puree in pre-measured shapes.

[–] Eq0@literature.cafe 23 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Banana juice is a thing, and banana chips and such. Probably too small of a market to repurpose all the uncool bananas :/

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 3 points 4 days ago

Banana chips are usually made with cooking bananas, also known as plátano in south America. It's a different fruit, much less sweet, usually eaten after cooking and before the ripening is complete (plátano verde).

It's quite uncommon in Europe and NA, but it's a staple of the central and south American cuisine

[–] jrs100000@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Animal feed as well.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 11 points 6 days ago

They figured out ways to cram all the subsidized surplus soy and almonds nobody wants into every conceivable product, they could certainly manage to do so with ugly bananas.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Our local popular brand of fish sticks has banana puree as an ingredient. It's not noticeable at all, at most it changes the texture of the batter a little.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 54 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It’s really crazy how cheap bananas are. They’re flown in from tropical countries and are at least half the cost of local in season produce. And they’re throwing away so many at every stage of production.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Bananas come by slow boat.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, slow Banana boat.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 43 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Imagine if they actually sold the whole crop to stores. Bananas would be $0.10 a pound. You would never be hungry.

[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (1 children)

See, you've found the issue they're trying to avoid.

[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 5 days ago (3 children)

That and buyers preferring "pretty"/consistent produce, which means supermarkets only want to buy produce to spec because the other stuff won't sell as well, shelf space is limited and it costs the supermarket more to waste unsold food than to just not buy food unlikely to sell. There are online markets out there that sell "ugly" produce that's not to spec, but they aren't broadly popular enough to make a huge dent in waste.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

So if I understand corrextly, if the bananas got into shops, they would just be thrown out later and with additional costs.

[–] 0tan0d@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

*buyers with money. Poor and hungry folk dont get a shit of the food isn't the perfect shape.

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 2 points 2 days ago

That could be a good use. Send tons of those bananas to food banks and food kitchens.

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[–] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

It wouldn't decrease prices quite as much as you'd think, since so much of the cost of a banana is transportation, which they don't do with the ones they throw out. They should still do it, obviously, and then transport them on trains to reduce transportation cost as well.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

iirc transport on ship is actually cheaper than trains i think due to not needing rails and also ships being fucking huge which means low surface area to volume ratio, so you need less steel to build them.

also how do you build a train line from south america to europe?

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 13 points 5 days ago

Good old artificial scarcity

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[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 42 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Humans have produced enough food, and had the capability to feed every human in the world for over 500 years. Every famine you've seen in the news, all of them, has been caused by keeping food from being delivered to those that are hungry.

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 38 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

had the capability to feed every human in the world for over 500 years

Not 500, more like 120 or so years. First thanks to the invention of refrigerated logistics (essential for transporting foodstuffs without them spoiling during the trip) and then thanks to the Haber-Bosch process of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere, which is essential for industrial fertilizers.

Famines since ~1930 could've been avoided if the "waste" surplus was redirected

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

That's just historically untrue. 500 years ago we didn't have much of the technology needed for reliable harvest. Many farms were still highly dependant on rain. No rain, no crops. A late freeze, no crops. Locusts, no crops. You starve.That simple.

This doesn't include the absolute necessity of artificial fertizlier in maintaining the modern population.

Maybe your statement could be true if we had the ability to move crops from areas not expirencing a disaster that could have fixed it, but would have been very difficult and required a global effort. So technically humanity may have produced enough food, but there was not a real way to move it. Even ignoring profit incentives that control logistics and assuming a altruistic system of redistribution, it could take weeks for messages to arrive in areas that did have food. Then it would take weeks to move it. No refrigeration, the fastest you could move is horse.

Seems very unlikely

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[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I'd assume that intercontinental food shipping would have been rather difficult in the 1500s.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Swallows could grip it by the husk?

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[–] Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 26 points 5 days ago (10 children)

Exactly, nothing about capitalism is efficient and it never was. Capitalism is brutally effective at producing large quantities of stuff, but that doesn't mean the waste is mitigated at all. In fact, the waste correlates with production.

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[–] dellish@lemmy.world 17 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Thankfully due to this show, at least Woolworths (Safeway) and maybe some other stores brought out a range of fruit and vegetables called "The Odd Bunch" that are cheaper and less "perfect". It's a small step, but at least it's a start.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

My city (in Canada) mostly has Save-On-Foods that sells "Not-So-Perfect" frozen blueberries which are a couple dollars cheaper than normal frozen blueberries. Pretty sure Thrifties (Sobeys) sells the same.

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People will be picky under any economic system, assuming they aren’t starving

[–] khendron@piefed.ca 15 points 5 days ago

My grocery store has a "imperfect produce" section, where they have funny shaped bananas, oranges that are not round, that sort of thing. Really cheap, and just as tasty.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Are there actually people who think capitalism is efficient? Like sure it's not Soviet level beaurocracy inefficiency but I wouldn't stake my life saving medicine on this system if I had any other option

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Efficient at creating oligarchs and robber barons

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[–] Emi@ani.social 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Here lidl has boxes of random fruit and vegetables that don't meet the pretty standard for like 25czk now probably more. But now I see them rarely. They were great when I wanted to make soup or something.

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[–] xkbx@startrek.website 12 points 6 days ago

oh banana, how i suffer with thee

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Totally separate from the capitalism part, isn't composting a portion of what is grown to return nutrients and maintain soil health a thing? Along with crop rotation, I thought composting the unwanted or unusable products either through a feed-to-manure or organic waste composting method was part of healthy arable land management.

The capitalism part is certainly creating a larger "unwanted/unusable" percentage, but is there any information on how it is impacting overall land sustainability? Monocropping is 100% known to be killing farmland, so I am wondering what the current state of agricultural research is around this.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Totally separate from the capitalism part, isn’t composting a portion of what is grown to return nutrients and maintain soil health a thing?

Probably not the wisest behavior when there's a fungal infection going around.

[–] Gork@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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