A community for Lemmy users interested in privacy
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I don't give their opinions on China, Russia, NK, Iran, Ukraine, any sort of credibility. I've been banned from some of their comms but they're on point for pointing out the crimes and hypocrisy of the west, and there's a lot of deliberate effort to minimize their reach.
Fuck em' for defending authoritarianism but without them it's all propaganda from mass mainstream media and whitewashing of the west.
tldr: Fuck tankies and wankies trying to whitewash their atrocities with concern trolling.
I really am not sure what you mean - at least on Lemmy. I don’t see pro-western propaganda. In fact everyone is highly critical and self aware of the vast majority of the West’s moves and motives. Even articles of the rare positive moves are met with skepticism and pessimism.
The problem is that the tankies automatically attack any post by someone being critical of any other non-western nations as being hypocritical. An argument by hypocrisy. Annoying as hell, a yapping ankle-biting tiny dog constantly interrupting the conversation with “But the West did/does (insert awful thing) too!” when 99.99% of the time we’re well aware of the West’s failings, and those failings don’t mean other’s can’t be pointed out.
Well articulated, great description of how Lemmy discourse ends up getting warped by its developers' politics.
What's a wanky? I've been here for a while and that one's new to me.
Noooo "calling it "authoritarian" is meaningless"!!!
Stop "phrasemongering", it's "not fascism" when China pulls its shit! China also not guilty of Uyghur genocide, that's western propaganda you racist!
Smh. Tankie propaganda was making me mad, I'm actually glad I got banned off their subs for adamantly refusing to accept their lines of reasoning for their blatant, apologetic, wholly uncritical acceptance of china.
What portion of the tankie userbase do we think are Chinese intelligence assets? Or at best, shills?
The down vote shaping on this thread I think supports this notion. It's something that I have seen and personally experienced on Reddit. And, it seems that liberal left wingers are invariably the target.
My experience has always been that tankies, regardless of community, are exceedingly rare in the wild of a western nation. With leftist views usually comes compassion, and that prevents the development of authoritarian views.
There is something wrong with the proportions on Lemmy. There's more going on than fringe local western tankies. Perhaps Dessalines insistence that Signal was a honeypot, is a projection about Lemmy.ml?
I don't know if borders on tinfoil to call Lemmy.ml a honeypot. I think if you're China, and your goal was to destabilize American/Western politics by poisoning the well of discussion amongst it's citizens, it seems natural to just... let Lemmy.ml continue doing its thing. A honeypot is for baiting and trapping a target, it's what you would do to catch CSAM predators. You eventually capture and prosecute them.
But for long-term destabilization of a generation of people, you just stand up a bunch of bad faith actors and let them post their heart out for a couple years. Eventually, your posse will have brainwashed actual citizens into repeating your (and coming with their own) propaganda.
So Dess and his ilk may not even have to be Chinese intelligence agents, they could just be extremely railroaded Westerners. But I don't care enough about them to get even close to doxxing territory.
Edit: And for the record, Russia pulled the same stunt back in 2014-15 with the Alt Right. Both nations could very well be standing up bad faith actors pretending to be Fascists and Marxists at the same time, and that would be an efficient strategy.
Once had a ml slag try to reason to me that political censorship is good lol
It was high in "but but the those people over there are bad why can't I be?" energy.
Lmao, bro Dessalines is legitimately the most cringe person on the entire internet. He literally will not comment outside his own instance, because he cannot handle any form of internet where he doesn't have his magic "win argument" ban button.
Your life on the fediverse improves significantly if you just block the entire lemmy.ml and hexbear.net instances.
My experience improved immensely when we defederated Hexbear. It’s like a Lemmy cheat code to delete 80% of the trolls.
I did that years ago
Don't subscribe to anything Lemmyml if you want to keep your sanity
You can always just block seeing the instance. Sure you still see them mulling about the rest of Lemmy but generally they're better behaved when interacting with everyone else.
The issue with the rest is that it's full of people whining about tankies