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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do people always do cannonballs into pools, lakes, and oceans, and never from windows and overpasses into the concrete?

[–] FreeAZ@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 day ago

I mean, people do that occasionally, but for completely different reasons.

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[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Flat earth-ism started as very elaborate satirical performance art. Now thanks to 50 years of Republicans cheapening public education, a plurality of Americans actually believe this shit and want it taught in the schools.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I have had the displeasure of knowing several people like this. In the post-truth landscape we find ourselves, there are really people out there who will call your denial of their alternative facts "unscientific" because they think that science is just about questioning everything, and they know their perspective is the right one.

Therefore, when their high school science teacher (who obviously hated them in particular for their good Christian beliefs) insists on ideas like the Earth being round, or the existence of climate change or—heavens forbid—evolution, she's obviously just trying to brainwash her students to believe her liberal agenda.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

It's not just Americanas. Many prominent flat Earthers come out of England.

Just show this dumbass how landings happen for Russians on land. There’s a reason why no one does it multiple times.

[–] kinther@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Whenever I play KSP I always try a splash down in the ocean vs a crash down when I come back to Kerbin.

You don't want to risk it after a long journey somewhere and back. Just splash down in the water.

[–] Nomorereddit@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

Uhuh, tell that to the cosmanauts.

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 243 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Russian capsules have returned to land since their very first launches.

The decision has more to do with geopolitics than physics. Russia does not have a robust Navy with access to equatorial waters on which to land a spacecraft, the US does. Given the historical accuracy of landing a capsule it is actually a hell of a lot easier to drive a big ship to the eventual location than it is to drive a big truck into the middle of a desert. The reason western nations return capsules to the sea is because its easier to recover them there.

Both approaches have technical challenges. Returning to land requires a slower landing speed (although as a percentage of the starting velocity of a spacecraft its a pretty insignificant difference) and landing on the sea requires the carrying of flotation devices and designing a capsule with buoyancy in mind.

In other words this post is completely inaccurate.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (3 children)

For a while (maybe still) Russian rockets even had a shotgun on board after wolves got to a landing first.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It was a three-barreled gun that fired shotgun shells, rifle rounds, and rescue flares. 10 rounds of each type of ammunition were supplied. The stock could be detached and used as a machete.

For a while, these guns were on every Soyuz capsule that docked with ISS, and they were under the operational control of the Soyuz commander. I've read that they may have been retired in 2007 because Russia finally ran out of the very unique ammo.

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[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The Russian system has a braking rocket that fires at the very last second to soften up the landing. On one early Soyuz mission, this rocket didn't fire, and the solo cosmonaut suffered substantial injuries from the landing.

The Orion capsule hits the water at the final parachute speed of 20-30 mph without injuring the crew. But as you state, they also have to design the capsule for flotation and egress in potentially rough sea state.

Boeing Starliner is designed for a land landing, but it uses deployable air bags instead of a braking rocket. It's not clear that Starliner will ever fly again after the RCS thruster problems.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm upset that you didn't mention Cosmonauts are equiped with an on board shotgun to fend off bears.

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[–] 1dalm@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Several capsules are designed to effectively and safely land on land.

[–] quips@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Including the soyuz which to this day routinely lands on land

[–] Spezi@feddit.org 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the landing needs active thrusters to soften the blow. This introduces more complexity and also adds more danger as there needs to be extra fuel on board.

[–] j5y7@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And extra weight I imagine, making it more expensive to launch.

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Correct. It’s not that they can’t, they save tens of millions by landing in the water on fuel alone. Not only to land but to leave. The extra fuel increases the weight which increases the overall fuel cost on launch.

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[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 day ago

And the space shuttle which did it for decades

[–] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 139 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The nasa broadcaster called it a perfect bullseye landing about 5 times. A perfect bullseye, hit em right in the Pacific ocean.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago

They later said it was less than 1 mile away from the target spot.

A big benefit of the ocean is if the capsule loses all attitude control, it can still reenter and survive. But it will be a "ballistic reentry", much more punishing with the g forces, and also about 1500 miles short of the target zone.

The Pacific Ocean makes it easy to ensure that those backup contingency landing sites are also safe landing sites.

[–] felsiq@piefed.zip 26 points 2 days ago

I mean they generally do aim for a specific spot so the ships can be nearby to pick it up, so even aiming for the ocean a perfect bullseye is a valid thing to say lol

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Water is as hard as concrete from a large height.

They splash down in water because there is less chance of hitting something.

[–] ptu@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 day ago

Due to its low density and viscosity, water cushions the spacecraft enough that there is no need for a braking rocket to slow the final descent

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splashdown

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

They have parachutes to slow decent, so its not just a hard drop from space to ocean surfacw

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[–] robocall@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Boing boing

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Water = inside bones

Land = outside bones

[–] HeroicBillyBishop@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

....ok, but what is the post getting at?

Like what conspiracy is this supporting?

That they are more easily faked on water?

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 17 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yes, because the area gets a no-fly zone and navy ships go to get the capsule, it makes it "easy" to fake because the government controls the situation. Yes, this ignores a lot of other independently verifiable data, because that doesn't confirm biases. Yes, it ignores all the Soyuz landings over land. Yes, it ignores the facts that the Soviets and Russians do and did the same thing, as if a highly-planned re-entry might just happen in anyone's rye field. Yes, it's stupid. Yes, it's on purpose.

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[–] NarrativeBear@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I though "woke" was the term that implied people being asleep, or are they use them interchangeably now?

1000057808

[–] wieson@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Woke means you're awake to the injustices in society

[–] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yup. Being woke means you care about other people. Which the right undeniably hates.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 77 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What the fuck is the first person insinuating? What would always landing in the water "prove"??

[–] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 67 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think she's saying 'pay attention' because she is used to people drifting off mid-sentence

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[–] Carmakazi@piefed.social 31 points 2 days ago

You can't easily go out to see a splashdown in the middle of the ocean, therefore space travel is fake.

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[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

They never land back on land? Really? Tell that to Russia, they always land the Soyuz back on land.

[–] theblurstoftimes@leminal.space 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just launch these fuckers into space. I’m fine with not shooting trash at the sun because it’s too expensive but we should let make an exception for people like this. If they’re so smart I’m sure they’ll figure out a way back.

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[–] recked_wralph@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

We also um... the shuttles?

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