Chicago Bears

All offensive schemes with crappy qb play suck. It’s pretty simple.

Fields can’t run a quick passing offense which eliminates 50% of a complete offense. Anticipatory throws just don’t happen with him.

Bagent is just a rookie, an undrafted one. .

There was a thread like this a couple weeks ago and I tried to give a detailed breakdown in that thread. Here's what I had written:

1. Routes beyond 10 yards that don't resolve quick enough. If you look at simple routes like a curl route, as an example, Getsy often has receives going 20+ yards downfield before curling. Similarly if he draws up a hook, it resolves in a similarly slow fashion. That means the average time for a receiver to be ready to catch the ball increases, and Fields has to continue to hold the ball before throwing it or has to run it out.

2. Routes that do not innovate. Most of the routes Getsy draws up are very vanilla. It's readily apparent to most defenders what is going on, so coverage becomes trivial. A stud like DJ can still make something out of these routes, as he can physically beat the defender, but most receivers cannot. Until we start drawing up plays that resolve in unusual ways to create better windows, and have them resolve quicker, it becomes harder for a QB to excel.

3. Too many plays behind the LoS. We've all seen the million "WHY ARE WE RUNNING ANOTHER SCREEN" comments. This is a real problem when you have an athletic QB like Fields. His strength comes in being able to use his legs if the routes downfield don't open up. If we have all of our eligible receives behind the LoS to receive and block, the D can bring a lot of pressure and ensure Fields is ineffective. These types of plays work well for a prototypical pocket passer like Bagent, but do not work in large quantities for a mobile QB like Fields.

4. Time to throw. This one is a mixed bag. Fields does take too long on his reads at times. However, in a lot of situations people in this sub attribute to him just not making reads quick enough, the routes simply aren't resolved so the receiver is not ready to receive the ball. Anticipating the receiver in some of those situations could help, so the ball is there as they turn, but in a fair amount of these scenarios Getsy has not drawn up the play for the receiver to be ready. That means Fields is holding the ball longer than needed to wait for the downfield shot, which is one of his strengths. Again, Getsy scheming for more of a prototypical game manager/pocket passer style is hurting the ability of Fields to really strike downfield consistently.

5. Getsy comes from a tree that has repeatedly shown it was reliant on the skill of a HoF QB and not the skill of the coaches. This one should be obvious, but if you look at people from this tree like Hackett and Getsy, neither of them are translating well to coaching other teams. Hackett took Russell Wilson, who just came from a team where he routinely dominated the opposition, and made him look like he shouldn't be starting. Getsy took one of the most athletic QB prospects in the last decade and has built a system that just does not work for him. A lot of people here are quick to dismiss coaching, but we're seeing objective examples of this coaching tree failing over and over again on other teams. It is becoming crystal clear to people that Rodgers hid the ineffectiveness of his coaches since he was already a developed and polished QB by the time they came in to coach him. Now they are being exposed when trying to replicate that system elsewhere since they did not actually develop their QBs. It is also well known that Rodgers would call his own plays from the huddle often, negating the OC's scheme. This is another factor that masked the ineffectiveness of offensive coaches from this tree.

There's a lot more to it, but in effect we have a fundamental flaw where our OC wants to design plays for a pocket passer. Our QB is not a pocket passer, and shows his greatest strengths when he can effectively use his legs and create defensive openings for downfield strikes. If we were to swap coaches to someone who can design plays more around Fields strengths, we would see a greater production on offense more consistently. In addition, we have to acknowledge Fields still has areas to develop and a coach with more knowledge of developing players like Fields could help expedite that process.

TL/DR: our OC is underqualified and a mismatch to the type of QB we have. As a result, we're seeing development that is slower than it should be. Bringing in talent that has proven it can develop this type of QB would be a game changer

It’s the qb

Bad scheme and bad players makes for a disaster

That’s honestly an interesting question. It’s what makes football fun.

Why does a team suck? Why is it good?

The answer really is “we don’t fully know.”

Is the scheme not fitting Justin’s playstyle? Or is Justin unable to do more, and the scheme has to be reduced because of it? We don’t know.

I think Getsy’s dream scheme is what we saw with Bagent. Quick throws, run, move the ball and create chances to take that shot. But maybe he had that system in place for a D2 QB making his first four starts, and when Fields comes back he loosens the play calls up.

We had that question with Nagy and Trubisky, and the answer ultimately was “both were bad.” Trubs never caught on, Nagy seemingly is hamstringing a talented chiefs offense.

We won’t know “why” the team is bad until a few years later. Maybe it’s Getsy’s scheme limiting our playmakers. Maybe our playmakers aren’t able to do what Getsy wants. Maybe the whole thing is bad. Maybe when fields comes back a switch gets flipped, and the offense flows better.

Idk lol.

It’s super generic and basic and makes it easy for defenses to adjust and stop whatever is working.

The offensive scheme is perfectly fine. 99% of it is the same complaints that every fan of every team does when their team isn't winning.

The average redditor knows almost nothing about NFL schemes and why they are run the way they're run. "Luke Getsy is the stupidest person on earth" is just score callers venting their big emotions.

Half of the posters seem to think that offensive coordinator calls a single play and forced the QB to follow it exactly, not understanding that modern NFL offenses run checks and hots and options and choice routes, the play you see on the field can be changed and altered a half-dozen different ways between the moment it's called and first few seconds after snap.

We've got a QB1 who is possibly the worst I've ever seen at making pre-snap and post-snap reads, and a QB2 who can't be trusted to make intermediate throws, let alone push defenses deep. There's no magic mad genius out there who is gonna know exactly which plays to call to make that work consistently.

If someone wants to blame the coaching staff for the penalties and botched assignments, go nuts. If they get fired and replaced at the end of the season, I won't be sad. You can even argue that it's the coaches' fault fields can't read a defense because they should have taught him better, sure that's plausible.

But the scheme itself? Nothing wrong with it

QB

Wow the Fields cult is out in full force on this one.

Watch one of the QB school’s videos on the Bears from this year and you’ll get all the answers you need

Ngl, after seeing some of the YouTubers on fields and Bagent, they don’t get the ball out enough. Some of these WRs are open as hell, and fields and Bagent don’t pull the trigger.

I’ll just say, getsys offensive play calling is so bland, so boring, so predictable and so routine that my only conclusion is that his hire is a hit job by the packers to slam the window on Justin fields. There is a reason that packers fans celebrated him leaving.

Dude you have these guy’s writing whole paragraphs now and that’s why nobody was explaining it just too much to write , hepatitis c is correct though I would just add that getsy doesn’t know when to call certain plays on certain situations football is a game of deception and he has none, I sit on my couch and know what plays are coming so defenses definitely know

3rd n 5 throw it 5 yards behind the line and hope you get 10

For one, I’ve never seen so many screen plays in life and it’s back to back when it doesn’t work. We have a running game, USE IT!

It’s easy to look like you could be competent when your most significant job prior was Aaron Rodgers’ qb coach.

Mainly because we have bad QBs

Here’s some things I’ve noticed.

1. Option routes. For those who don’t know, option routes are this. For each play, the receiver is given two routes depending on how he sees the defender across from him. So both the QB and WR need to see things the same way. It tends to create indecision in QB. You aren’t going to throw before the break if you don’t know which way the break is. Detroit for instance, only has St. Brown run option routes. The others run a progressive route. This is a good thing when you have a veteran QB and receivers but even Rodgers struggled with it when he was given a group of young receivers he wasn’t familiar with.

2. Too reliant on the “system” vs the players. One play they keep running is called a sail. They never seem to connect on it but still run it every week. On the other hand, when they find a play that works, they don’t run it again. They do well throwing on first down and then go back to running on first down the rest of the game. At times, they have been very stubborn about letting Fields run. They rarely roll out with Fields and have him read half the field, I was stunned to see them do it often with Bagent.

3. In game coaching. Go back and watch the blocking for the Vikings game. The Vikings ran the same blitz 7 times before the OL figured out how to block it. Seemed like every stunt worked. The communication between linemen was dreadful. First play of the game, Vikings line up 6 rushers, Bears counter with an empty backfield. The first read is a 4 yard route the opposite side of the blitz (opposite of conventional wisdom) and Fields was expected to avoid the free rusher and hit the quick, short pass. This is despite the fact that the week before they had great success with having max protection.

4. No accountability. The play described according the coaching staff was Fields fault, not theirs. If you hear the press conference’s it’s never a coaching issue, it’s always a players issue.

5. Terrible job of developing the QB. Fields has flaws, there’s no denying that but instead of playing to his strengths, they seem to purposely play to his weaknesses. He doesn’t get the ball out quickly, so instead of giving him more protection, they ask him to account for a free rusher. He doesn’t read defenses quickly, so instead of making his read’s easier, they make them more difficult. Because they want him to play like Rodgers, they completely changed his footwork, which is the opposite of what most QB do. Compare this to how Wilson was eased into the league. Seattle rolled him out almost every pass. He was asked to only read half the field for his first 2-1/2 years. Fields and to a lesser extent Bagent are basically being asked to play like veterans, whether they are ready to or not.

6. Too conservative with a lead. They do it to “help” the defense but all it does is collect 3 and outs and give the ball back.

Getsy....is that you? There's gotta be someone more qualified that can help you, no?

Personnel does not match the playcalling.

The ~~Great~~ Getsby

One issue I have is our blitz beater calls, if the see a blitz coming its a screen, swing or dump off. Which can absolutely beat blitzs, but they never max protect and shoot. So teams blitz and tee off on short routes, it kill us. The few times I've seen us go max protect bomb its worked

Because the Bears don’t know how to hire a competent coach…maybe Kevin Warren can change that…maybe not…

Some other people did great breaking it down, so I’ll offer a bit of a different exercise for people regarding this topic.

Next time you are watching the Rams, 49ers, Chiefs, and Dolphins, notice how many times you and the announcers think “oh that was a clever/good play.” Whether in how it designed, how it was executed, or when it was called. You’ll notice that you probably will have that thought/hear the announcers comment that a handful (5-10) times in a game.

Then watch the Bears offense, and how many times do you think/hear the same thing? When was the last time the Bears offense really did something that wowed you, that wasn’t Fields/DJ/some skill player making an incredible individual effort play. Something that you just went “oh they are being really smart in how they are approaching this game.”

Nagy had some moments like that his first year, but he’s not the innovative play designer of Reid, so eventually his gimmicks got found out and there was no putting the genie back in the bottle. I have NEVER felt confident or impressed with Getsy’s plays. Almost always he overthinks critical moments, there is no offensive identity besides forcing the run and short passing game regardless of what is happening, and it feels like our players are constantly in positions where they are really unlikely to succeed or where their weaknesses are getting exploited rather than their strengths being taken advantage of.

Teams with mobile QBs average 39% of play calls in roll outs and play action passes.

Our team is under 20%.

Getsy is trying to make Fields into Rodgers.