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[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 120 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Buy brother laser. It’s more expensive, but it’s worth it long term. They last a real long time and the cartridges last bananas and they don’t care about “official” ink

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Straight up when I bought my black and white brother laser printer I got an extra cartridge with it because I didn't expect it to last very long

By the time I finally had to swap it out I couldn't find the extra cartridge I bought with it because it had been so long

Needless to say I'm 3 years and 500+ pages into the second cartridge and happy to have this clunky little printer

[–] Talaraine@kbin.social 48 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Unfortunately someone snuck someone from HP into Brother's executive chain. They're starting the fuckery now too.

[–] pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess the only right thing to do is to buy used Brother laser printers until they all break... Such warhorses.

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I thought the latest update to the new brother color laser added cartridge DRM?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131

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[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Laser printers are especially handy if you rarely ever need to print anything, because they don't dry up and get clogged.

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[–] ColonelSanders@lemmy.world 91 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

And this is why things like pirating are not only acceptable but necessary. When companies lock services behind paywalls for products we should legally own, we are left with no recourse but to obtain the services we are owed illegally.

[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago

Agreed. Piracy, aka the sharing of information freely (see also: libraries), is a fundamentally ethically correct course of action. Always.

Withholding knowledge for personal profit on the other hand is obviously not.

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 2 years ago (5 children)

HP is probably the worst big tech device company. Their products are shit, break quickly, are overpriced and econ students love them.

[–] CatLikeLemming@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I bought an HP Envy, one of these convertible laptop thingies, when I didn't know any better. The hinge broke about a month after the warranty expired. Repair costs (at a local repair shop, but still) were like 200€ because apparently I had to buy a whole new top cover for the damn repair to work

Anyways, I'm gonna buy a Framework laptop next because fuck going through that again

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spending too much money on bad products is good for the GDP!

[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

can't buy a good product under capitalism

contradiction in terms

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 16 points 2 years ago

Well you can while they're building the brand and the business majors aren't running every department

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago (3 children)

They'll be the first company with their backs against the wall when the revolution comes

[–] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago

I'm pretty sure that's Nestle

[–] Zink@programming.dev 23 points 2 years ago

The revolution will not be printed in color.

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This should straight up be illegal

[–] pseudonym@monyet.cc 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

No joke, like what the fuck is this? I bought the thing, and you can just disable it ???

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[–] laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone 63 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Why nobody has made an open source ink jet printer design like reprap, I will never understand. The printer industry seems primed for disruption with all their bullshit and their half century old technology.

[–] RQG@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

My guess. They couldn't get the printer to work. My 3D printer has a lower problem count than my ink jet regular printed at this point.

[–] TheFriendlyArtificer@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

The accuracy required for the ink droplets just isn't there for prosumers.

I can (and have!) built multiple extruders for a variety of 3D printers. Some of my own design.

Sadly, the tolerances for an inkjet are at least an order of magnitude greater.

I have zero doubt that a few clever hardware hackers could design an open source inkjet printer. But A: They'd get sued back to the mesolithic by every printer company with a patent. And B: the process would likely involve micro machining your own hardware.

I've just said, "fuck it" to the entire industry. I'm in my early 40s and I'm reasonably sure that my Brother laser will outlive me. And possibly the heat death of the universe.

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[–] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (1 children)

there's not a single thing radical about wanting these fuckers out of our homes and out of our lives. Kill em all as far as I'm concerned.

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[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

I made the mistake of buying an HP printer. Fortunately I only spent $70 on it.

Then the ink cartridge ran out as I used all the ink up. So instead of buying more ink I purchased a new printer. This time it was a color inkjet from Brother that will last me years on the first ink cartridge.

Funny how it works. Fuck you HP.

[–] tygerprints@kbin.social 38 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I've been radicalized against HP for a decade now. I bought an HP printer with the guarantee of a sizeable rebate. Of course, the rebate never showed up and every time I called about it, the customer service person would read their script, "Oh we sent that out just a few days ago should be arriving soon." Uh huh. Here it is 15 years later, no rebate check and I'm sure they never intended to send one at all. I'm not a fan of HP at all.

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[–] AgentGrimstone@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago (5 children)

This is a real thing? I haven't owned a printer in years. Why would they have his debit info in the first place?

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[–] PopShark@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have literally filed a BBB complaint in the past for HP over their stupid ink subscription being fucky

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 36 points 2 years ago (5 children)

From what I've heard the BBB is as much a BS organization as HP, companies can pay to have the complaints removed.

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[–] TheBlue22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I have an HP printer now, Epson before that. Both are dogshit. When the HP eventually kills itself, as they tend to do, should I buy a Brother? I heard a lot of good stuff about it but have 0 experience with it.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

I've had a brother printer going on 10 years and it's never let me down. I've changed toner three times over that time and each cart has never cost me more than 20 ish quid. No DRM carts, no jamming, no subscriptions just a printer that does its job. Even when it's running low, it doesn't prevent me printing, it'll let me know it's low then keep on printing until you can't see the letters any more.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I swear, if it weren't for the fact that I've also had good experiences with Brother, I'd be thinking they have an insanely good astroturfing department. Every time there's a thread about printers, there are dozens of comments saying how good they are.

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[–] dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I have a Brother DCP L2541DW. Bought it last year and has been working since with no hiccups nor drum change.

Regardless of brand, don't buy "at home" printers. Those are straight up scams. Just buy office printers.

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[–] Xavier@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I wish there was a cheap simple laser engraver that could just “burn” black the surface of generic bulk printer paper. As in an inkless monochrome printer.

A bit like How to Cut, Score, and Engrave Paper With a Laser but without the need to use dedicated laser cutter.

With the explosion of interest in 3D printing, machining and laser cutters, I'm just eager to get hold of a printer like that and forever give up on liquid ink and toners of all sorts.

[–] bufalo1973@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This does exist and you can see it in almost every supermarket in the World: the ticket printer. And the tickets end up fading

[–] Bandicoot_Academic@lemmy.one 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ticket printers use a special thermosensitive paper.

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[–] grandpaST@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 children)

HP reached its pinnacle in 1993 with the 4L laser printer. They were practically indestructible. I bought one and it took 15 years of heavy use to kill it.

[–] RickRussell_CA@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What once was a product, now is a service

We charge your debit, so you can serve us

EDIT: Inspired by The Stupendium

[–] Holzkohlen@feddit.de 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

HP execs seething every time I use my old ass HP printer that takes refills and doesn't complain. The ink never dries out either. This thing got no internet access, they can't disable anything without literally breaking down first my door and then the printer itself. I hope they use sleep over this.
Shoutout to the real OGs doing those refills, they fill them more than new ones and sell them for half the price.

[–] PeachyMcPeachface@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Fuck HP. They provided the tech Israel uses to control and surveil Palestinians.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 years ago

my dot matrix never had this problem

[–] Saltycracker@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

That would be a radicalization moment for the repair movement. Weird to subscribe for a damn printer

[–] nautilus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago

Planned obsolescence iceberg when

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