I really don't like how "consumer-friendly" means "GUI that resembles Windows" in the minds of so many people.
this post was submitted on 21 Nov 2023
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Gotta meet the customer where they are, not where you would like them to be. Most people don't want to learn a new thing.
You gotta meet the customer halfway until you get enough of them hooked, then slowly start introducing new ideas into their mental ecosystems that align with your vision.
Well, it definitely works when shifting people politically.
Coming soon: Mockrosoft Overton Windowsβ’
Then add adverts into that ecosystem and center their program menu. Ooh! Then change their right menus! They'd love that! Or, maybe they won't, but whatever.
Windows wasn't first, Xerox was
Xerox did so much for modern computing. If only people knew.
The company was run by morons so "Xerox" deserves being synonymous with "company run by morons". But the actual Xerox employees who invented the basic GUI deserve credit for being the great inventors they were. Unfortunately I have no fucking idea who those actual people were.
Take a look at this post. It covers some names and stories about contributions that make modern interfaces what they are today.
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But no person on the planet, except the nerdiest of pedants, are thinking of Xerox when they see Windows interface. They think of Windows, even if it's KDE
I like the terminal but don't remember all the arguments. I find that clunky. That's my main issue with it. (I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any)
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I was just forced to Switch to Mac and let me tell you that I'm actually enjoying it.
Things I like so far:
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An actual modern email client that isn't web based. Web mail clients feel so cumbersome.
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Same thing for a calendar application.
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Nice reminders app out of the box. Can schedule alarms on reminders and categorize them.
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Nice notes app that I don't need to constantly save. It never closes, which feels great compared to Gedit.
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Security. Apps notify me when they want to access system resources and I have to authorize them.
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Unix. Unix matters a lot.
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Homebrew has incredible support. I can install almost anything with it.
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Iterm2 feels almost like Terminator.
Things I hate:
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The fact that they have another keyboard layout. Although, after 3 days I'm getting used.
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Updates take forever, it's insane.
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Can't easily switch back and forth (not cycle) between windows of same apps. Haven't figured this one out.
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Docker runs in a VM, it sucks.
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Can't get used to multiple desktops. I hate them.
Honestly, it isn't as bad as Windows. As long as I have a terminal and a nice shell, I'm good.
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I tried Plasma, it was for only half an hour.....
Yeah wow why don't people like stuff like the compaq book and shit, it was damn impressive!
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The only GUI library you need is ncurses.
Thereβs no escape from ANSII escape characters!
The purpose of Unix was to be user friendly. And it is. You haven't seen what it replaced.
Also friendliness doesn't require a Fisher Price interface.
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I don't even see the symbols anymore
That's defintiely the wrong title.
No, it's not the user catching Linux in trying to pretend user friendliness witht the terminal.
It's Linux catching the user in still hating it when he gets the wanted user friendliness, for the sole reason of being conditioned to hate the terminal.
If you are able to use those buttons in the terminal, it wouldn't be a terminal.
What? The person you're replying to doesn't have the best argument in the world so I'm not exactly siding with them, but also a lot of terminals very much do support mouse input. I'm not sure which all ones it is, but I know the gnome terminal does and I'm pretty sure Konsole does as well. Obviously not every program you run in the terminal is going to support it but off the top of my head I remember vim does as well as I'm pretty sure dialog
How do people use Windows without CLI?
Itβs way harder to GUI-only than Linux
btop be like
Is this actually a thing?
Prepare for your mind to be blown: https://github.com/charmbracelet/bubbles
You have no idea how many scripts I'm going to build with that...
Midnight Commander has been around for ages. It's a straight ripoff/homage to the original Norton Commander, a full-fledged file manager and a godsend on week-kneed machines (like old netbooks).
There's TUIFI Manager
twin, directfb2, and gum, pytermgui too.
edit: huh, gum and bubbles are from the same guy. But bubbles is for Go, gum for shell.
These are awesome!
Yes. k9s comes to my mind.
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bb showed us what the terminal can really do
Speaking of a terminal displaying symbols, I still really miss slrn. I'd love a Lemmy client with that interface.
I find ASCII incredibly readable honestly. I use pixel fonts too, but I love the sharp blocky characters it's so much easier on the eyes than whatever windows or iOS has going on by default
I still didn't learned how to comprehend dwarf fortress native ASCII
500GB? Teeny drive
Man I'm just poor
what's wrong with a terminal displaying symbols?
Consumer friendly?
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