Chicago Bears

I’ll take the third door. I think we should continue to build in the trenches. Linemen, especially offensive linemen, have an incredible ROI and while you are building that out you won’t have to pay any flashy talent and will still finish poorly to get draft picks.

Yea but if MHJ is anywhere close to Calvin Johnson then we’ll take our chances. Your talking about arguably the best WR in history of the game.

The mods are asleep. Every damn thread is a version of this bullshit.

So Justin fields is out of the question for you? Cuz he's got the same stats as cam Newton in the beginning of their careers... I'm just saying... coaching and gm is shit, fields is a much better player then that fucking 0 -16 lions team.

Rookie contracts for Johnson, Suh, and Stafford were vastly different than what they would have gotten today. I think Stafford's first contract was $72M? I think the current 1st overall picks get around $40M. And the total salary cap compared to now is so different that the $72M took up a bigger percentage of the total cap than any 1st overall pick would today. The Lions had that like 3 seasons in a row before the rookie salaries changed. I think something like 25-30% of the total cap went to those 3 players.

Wonder what kind of defense they ran and who the former head coach might have mentored?

There are 15-20 'good' quarterbacks that can be interchangeable

If MHJ is the generational talent they say he is, that is much harder to replace.

Drafting a non-QB doesn't mean we play without a QB. We still get that positional value from someone else, just not necessarily a rookie.

The lions are the outlier, most teams with a receiver of that caliber aren’t bad. Also the best way to foster a new young qb is with studs around him.

You’re right. MHJ paired with Justin Fields has potential to be the biggest waste of WR talent in history.

They had Dante culpepper dummy

Facile analysis.

We need a reminder that it’s week 12 and all we care about is the draft

Uhh the Lions were giving up 32 points a game...

The idea would be pairing him with DJ MOORE

At this point I’m squarely in the MHJ or bust crowd. I’m not sold on JF1, but I’m also not blown away by either QB at the top of this draft. Give me the best player in this draft, and this year one kid is head and shoulders above the rest of the class.

But stafford won a superbowl with a competent team in LA. Your logic is flawed, Stafford wasn’t the problem in Detroit.

What I don’t understand is how ppl saying Caleb Williams or maye going to automatically come in here and make us better thats total horseshit. Fields is way better than both of em he’s already here and proving he can b the guy with the right coaching and system in place. Aren’t you guys tired of doing this new quarterback every 4 years. Couse I am. Sure before we had some alright qbs and we knew rii away we had to move on but fields is by far the most talented one the bears have had. Williams crying in the stands to his mom and skipping press conferences couse he’s got his panties in a bunch for losing ain’t gunna fly in the nfl. We bear fans and the city will come at him hard if he doesn’t pan out to be what y’all all think he might be and gotta live with the fact that Justin fields is somewhere else balling out. And maye is better than trubisky for sure but idk how to feel about picking another qb from North Carolina. I honestly think fields is our quarterback he needs to work on stuff that’s furshure but whit the right coaches and not the bottom of the barrel coaches and assistant coaches we got now he can actually fix that stuff.

Can't wait to get MHJ and committing to Fields so Fields has more guys to turn down and scramble instead.

That team only had Calvin Johnson.

Who let this packer fan in?

You know what, at this point, I hope we do draft MHJ. I hope Williams and Maye both go to teams with fanbases that will actually be grateful to have them. Because if we draft MHJ, we’re gonna suck again next year, and will continue to until we fix the QB situation, and at this point that’s what this fanbase deserves.

This is a really pointless post. What kind of comparison is this?

What I find amazing is that people in this sub act as though justin is as bad as Zach Wilson. He can't seem to get the ball to where it needs to be.

The best QB in the league is currently struggling with, wait for it, a bad OC and a WR room that can’t catch the ball.

The Eagles and Niners have bucked the trend of building around a QB and have instead built FOR a QB. That’s the essence of this thread. Do we go with the “genie with 1000 helpers” model and just keep cycling through new QBs until we find one? Or do we “build the best race car then find a driver” model and take the highest floor/highest ceiling talent available?

I know there are some here that are adamant that Fields is terrible and has no upside. If you believe that, you’re probably not amenable to the SF/Philly model. Personally, I think Fields is a good, talented QB who CAN be great if he gets a tick more decisive with the football. I’d prefer the SF/Philly model so if he does work through his flaw, we have a team around him with overwhelming talent, and if he’s so limited by his flaw we need to start over, we can at least have an optimal situation for the next guy.

You can say the same thing about a lot of “generational” QB’s that ended up being a bust.

And their QB that year went on to win a Superbowl.

This is ignoring risks and uncertainty. Over 50% of first round picks are total busts. QBs are notoriously hard to project. However someone with the physical capabilities of MHJ are far more guaranteed

Caleb williams is just a slow justin fields with nail polish

A reminder that the Raiders skipped on Calvin "Megatron" Johnson, and draft JaMarcus Russell. An extremely high potential QB that was touted as having the best arm ever.

I think we need to throw money at harbaugh once Michigan is done with him

I don’t think we need to go after a qb, but they need to focus on receivers and the o-line for sure