I still can't believe we called that many screens
Luke Osama bin getsy is a football terrorist
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I’m genuinely bummed we won that game. It means that Flus and Getsy survive for at least another week. It would have different if we won in a dominating fashion, maybe scored a TD or something, my tune would be different. But 4 fgs doesn’t instill any confidence in this coaching staff at all.
Considering the amount of pressure being let through by the o-line, Justin played pretty well. Getsy beat the Vikings all the way up to the red zone and then forgot how the fuck to call plays. Tbh this game was a good sign for the future in that the defense looked great, and Justin fought back from adversity to win with a game winning drive. Bears win out.
You guys should go to the Vikings sub. Everything we are saying about our QB and coaching staff are exactly what Vikings fans are saying today. It's almost like we are all following the same script. Hilarious.
Every fandom says the exact same things about their coaches.
It's more fun to believe the coaches are dumb than our players are bad
This line sucks shit without a healthy Tevin Jenkins. He’s regularly picking up defenders that are let by because whoever’s at center can’t fuckin block
Extend him. He’s worth it
Has Luke Getsy been fired yet this morning?
If not Ryan Poles is failing. It's one thing not to fire the head coach, I get the McCaskeys weird tradition there.
But there is no tradition or rule against firing a coordinator before the season ends. The Bears do it all the time.
If Flus won't fire Getsy today, Poles should walk in his office and do it for him.
Is Fields stuggling because of Getsy?
Is Getsy struggling because he doesn't have a legitimate QB1?
Both are fair questions and that probably means we need to move on from both.
Getsy only looked good because he had a HOF qb in aaron rodgers
Yes to both
That's my take too FWIW
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If you let Fields throw 600 non-screen passes in a season I'm pretty sure he'd have like 25 picks and 15+ fumbles
We get it, you vape
We threw so many fucking screens. With that said, I'm surprised an alright amount of them actually worked. Like it was 40/60 tbh, when normally it's more like 5/95.
This was the one game I was more ok with the screens than usual because the Vikings were blitzing on damn near every play and that’s how you beat the blitz.
They were showing blitz every play, but sometimes they drop out of it. Reminds me of the old Blitzburg Steelers zone-blitz defense from awhile back.
That was frustrating Fields and slowed his decision-making. Several times he had wide open receivers but didn't throw the ball.
Pro Football Network website QBR rankings. They are dead on here.
17) Justin Fields, Chicago Bears
Justin Fields is one of the most dangerous entities in the NFL, but he’s hamstrung by the Chicago Bears offensive line and schematic structure. Minnesota did not allow him to attack downfield. They blitzed him early and often, forcing the ball out of his hands quickly.
But Fields also needs to do a better job of protecting the football. That is something that the Josh Allens and Lamar Jacksons of the world tend to struggle with. Their endless playmaking efforts put the ball in adverse situations. Fields’s relentless pursuit of wrenching himself out of sacks puts the ball at risk too much.
But if he had time to operate the same way his successor at Ohio State has in Houston … Instead, they’re stuck throwing screens and praying their pass catchers can break a few tackles.
Fields has the longest time to throw in the NFL. He's regularly creating problems for himself with awful pocket awareness. On one of the first plays of the game he rolled out and nearly walked right into a rusher that kmet was desperately trying to block away from him.
Nobody is falling for this OL excuse anymore.
Can you explain how this time-to-throw stat is actually measured? I've seen conflicting info when I google it. Some websites say it's the time from snap-to-throw that's measured, and some say that it's snap-to-pressure that's measured. I'm not trying to argue, I'll just think the stat is more important if Fields has the most time in the league before being pressured. Otherwise, his ability to evade pressure surely increases his average time to throw.
Fields has either the highest or second highest time to pressure (it was posted on r/NFL sometime in the last couple of days).
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Let’s just completely ignore him continually bailing on clean pockets and passing up open receivers downfield
When you say it like that it makes it seem like a massive problem. But there’s no evidence he does this substantially more than other quarterbacks in the league. And I don’t know how you even assume he did this last night when the All-22 isn’t out and they blitzed 53% of the time.
Don’t really know how to feel. Ugly win that didn’t inspire any confidence whatsoever on offense.
Don’t think Fields is the guy but I also have zero confidence that this organization isn’t just going to ruin Williams or Maye as well.
Perfect world there’d be a good veteran QB available to just sign (like a Kirk Cousins from 3-4 years ago) and they’d use their 2 top 5 picks to just improve the team instead of wasting another pick on a QB that will likely just flutter as well.
It’s hard being a Bears fan.
Great defensive effort. Could've done without that last FG though.
Of course everyone wants to talk about Fields and the offense, but I think we owe the defense a lot of credit.
They have made exponential improvement since the beginning of the season. I remember watching the first few games this year and thinking to myself that I had never seen a Bears defense as terrible in my life. They really turned it around though. The pass rush is a night and day difference (the addition of sweat helps a lot) and they’ve made tremendous improvement on 3rd and 4th downs which they really struggled with earlier in the season.
They shined this game in particular, but they have honestly been playing very well the last few weeks. There’s still some things that need to be worked out, namely our pass coverage in the secondary, but they are really coming together as a unit. Most importantly, they do the #1 thing a defense needs to do: they put us in positions to win games. Very excited about the future of this unit, still wish we could have extended JJ though.
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We’d be at least 6-6 right now if the coaching staff didn’t blow the Broncos and Lions games
Not that we’d go far in the playoffs or anything, but still, it’d be more fun to actually be competitive
Crazy to think that we could easily be right in the mix this year. Even going beyond the Broncos and Lions games, we could have easily (and probably should have) beat the Vikings the first time and the Saints. If fields didn’t get hurt, we could be in a very different spot right now. We could be going into the bye week 8-4 and be fighting for a playoff spot.
This doesn’t mean much because it’s all just a big “what if” but it definitely gets me excited for the future. Don’t get me wrong, we still suck and it’s been ugly, but I’ve seen a lot of improvement throughout the year and to see some light in the middle of the time we are still rebuilding is kinda nice. We may be closer to fielding a competitive team than I once thought
Fields has 35 fumbles in 33 career starts. Can't have our RB fumbling that much
Lamar had 32 in his first 37 career starts for whatever it’s worth. Josh Allen 31 in his first 42. Vick 46 in his first 51 starts. Hurts 27 in his first 34.
I just think context is important when you’re dealing with players who extend plays and run the ball a lot.
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The fumbling is a fair point, but you’re being downvoted for douchebagedly calling him a rb lol
one thing to call out that no one will acknowledge - Fields' sack % has gotten significantly better even against the blitz heavy offense. 7.5% isn't so bad considering last time we faced them he had a sack % of 28
It seems like his decision making and short accuracy have improved too (hit first 12 passes most of which were short) still have to cut down on the fumbles tho
Someone with a better memory of the early 2000’s help me with this. Through Michael Vick’s first 36 starts his numbers were freakishly similar to Fields. Similar passing yards, TDs and INTs, rushing yards and TD’s, similar fumbling problems. Fields has better completion percentage. Yet I remember Vick being viewed differently. He was so exciting and it feels like everyone considered him a super star in the making if he could just correct some flaws.
Am I just remembering this wrong? Is the reason he was viewed as a star because his team was playing well and winning? In 2004 he had pretty awful passing numbers but he rushed for 900 yards and the Falcons were 11-4 in his starts. What was the difference between wary Vick and current Fields?
It's because QB's like Vick were a rarity AND he was viewed as a QB with athleticism the NFL had never seen. The greatest "running QB" the NFL had seen before Vick was Steve Young, and then behind him were guys like Randall Cunningham, John Elway, Fran Tarkenton. But all of them were guys who could hurt you with their legs if there was no one to throw to. Passing was still expected to be option #1 for those guys...but if you let them escape the pocket, look out.
With Vick, he looked like a QB that could combine the rocket arm needed to be a great passer in the NFL, along with enough speed and toughness to make the option runs or designed runs that the most dangerous college offenses used into a viable threat in the League. Suddenly defenses had to be ready for a whole new dimension.
Michael Vick's rookie year was 2001. NFL defenses have now seen two new generations of running QBs since then. And for all the offensive "innovations" (really just stolen from college and HS) in the running game, RPOs, the Wildcat, whatever Atlanta is trying under Arthur Smith, throwing the ball down the field has proven to be by far the most effective and efficient way to light up the scoreboard.
But back in 2001, no one realized that. A QB like Vick who could hurt you with his arm or his legs was terrifying. There were still coaches who believed the adage "when you throw the ball, three things can happen, and two of them are bad", so facing a QB who could torch them on the ground for 100 yards a game in addition to whatever gained through the air passing was a nightmare.
Nowadays, NFL teams are perfectly happy to let Fields run for over 100 yards per game. It means he's not throwing the ball, and thus the Bears are running a suboptimal offense and using their QB in a suboptimal way.
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