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Found out we're doing a mandatory active-shooter training at work. It'll be "non interactive" which I guess means no fake guns or practice takedowns or whatever they do to scare people. At least one of my coworkers has already expressed adamant opposition to this, so I have at least one ally. I'd be more opposed if I were going to have fake guns pointed at me, but if it's just sitting in a room listening to someone talk, I don't mind being paid to listen to their bullshit. Anyway, beyond what I've said, I don't know much about these trainings, so what are some funny ways I could derail it? Don't hold back

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[–] snipvoid@lemm.ee 102 points 2 years ago (2 children)

“Will the company cover all medical costs if we’re shot during our normal work day?”

[–] ProfessorAdonisCnut@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

They say yes, then after the fact their lawyers will argue that it wasn't a normal work day so they don't have to pay

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 79 points 2 years ago (3 children)

ask them what to do when the cops refuse to put themselves at risk

ask them how to tell a roided up terrified cop you're not the shooter without being shot

ask them how much the active shooter training course cost the district, then ask them how much improving access control (an actually useful preventative measure) would cost and if it were considered as an alternative

[–] CoolYori@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (5 children)

improving access control

They still managed to screw this up. The people at my job made it so the warehouse employees are locked in what amounts to a kill box. They made this change after a former warehouse employee made death threats. When pointed out that warehouse employees could not egress to the main office they did not fix it and said it would take too much money.

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 22 points 2 years ago

Didn't fix it because that was a feature, not a bug

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[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"will the company cover funeral expenses?"
"has this ever been effective?"
"will you be issuing us rifles?"
"can the company buy us some plate carriers?"
"am i a soldier now? i don't want to be a soldier :("

[–] ElHexo@hexbear.net 66 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"is this training a recognition of the company's liability if we die"

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

I said something like this to a director who immediately turned around and said “but the training is so good!”

[–] xi_simping@hexbear.net 68 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ask if healthcare coverage at work covers injury from shooting, and then break it down by shooting type: drive by? targetted? mass? police involved? coworker? stranger? manager? go through all the scenarios "what if i was shot while technically off the clock but on work property because i was coming back from my break"

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Frank@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Bring your lawyer. Bring your union lawyer. Bring someone who isn't a lawyer but have them dress like a lawyer and take notes and unless someone specifically asks "Are you a lawyer" just say vague things like "I"m here on behalf of Rashav3ak

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[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"Has this method, as disseminated by this company, ever been tested in a real incident?"

If so: "How did that go? Can you substantiate that it actually helped things?"

If not: "What reason does someone have to believe this will help? Is there any sort of real empirical backing or are you profiteering off of HR agendas and fearmongering? Do you accept any sort of liability if your method fails to help or even makes things worse? [Obviously not, so] Why should any of us have confidence in this to preserve our lives when you don't even have the confidence in it yourself to accept that liability? Is there any observable difference between your presentation and that of a reasonably competent snakeoil salesman?"

[–] Maaj@hexbear.net 36 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm saving this, it can be used for a wide variety of things with some changes

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

rat-salute I am honored to be of help to you however I may be.

If you do want to save it, I recommend copy/pasting or something because comments can be deleted for many reasons. I try to preserve the useful posts and comments I find off-site on account of that.

[–] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Start asking them for how to respond to increasingly bizarre situations:

Start with something plausible like a team of shooters then move on to like "What if they have access to a rooftop helicopter? What about an armed Humvee? How do we deal with tanks?"

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

What if they ask for a reversible leather Planet Hollywood jacket in their list of demands? They don't even make those anymore!

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"If Hamas breaches the walls should i hide behind my desk? What if they come up through the sewer?

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago

ask them when the passive-shooter training day will be

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The last time I had to do a workplace violence awareness training, we were given a very long and very specific list of red flags to watch out for. I relentlessly reported to higher ups any time I noticed a red flag from someone higher up than me at the company. I was reprimanded for it every time.

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"Can i use my health savings account to buy a flak vest?"

"Will the company be doing flak vest matching?"

"What about tourniquettes?"

"Is a flak jacket osha required ppe now?"

"Is it true you can cover a grenade with a trash bin? Should we get steel trash bins for the grenades?"

"How long do we have to shelter in place after the cops decide not to do anything?"

"Can i take the rest of the day off after a mass shooting?"

"What about a flak helmet can i use my hsa on that?"

"Okay but what about some gym memberships so we can get good at running away, the company will cover that, right?"

"How come the executive elevator has to get buzzed in by security but not the normal elevator?"

"What if i fall over while running away from te shooter is that a workplace injury?"

"Who do i report it to if my manager got shot?"

"Who will do scheduling if my manager gets shot i don't want to get fired for no showing"

"Is it a work place injury of the cops shoot me by accident?"

"What if the cops shoot me on purpose?"

"Hey what are we supposed to do with the office first aid kit it only has bandaids and tylenol and expired in 1978"

"Come to think of it did we get the fire extinguishers checked this year?"

"Okay but if i get shot by the cops, and there's blood on the ground, but there's no " caution slippery liquid" sign, and i fall down the stairs, that would be the company's fault, right?"

"Do we have to pay for our own ride to the hospital?"

"If i'm stuck sheltering in place and my kids have to uber home and order a pizza how do i submit that as a reimbursible expense?"

"What if i get actively shot on a business trip in another state and they take me to an out of network hospital?"

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[–] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just hold up pictures of the Uvalde cops standing in the hallway with a quizzical look on your face.

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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

eat a whole lot of beany chili the day/morning before

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

act startled like the farts are the sounds of gunfire

[–] Rashav3rak@hexbear.net 32 points 2 years ago

this is my favorite suggestion so far data-laughing

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

"How long will my job be held for me if I'm injured during an active shooter event while I'm recovering in hospital?"

(Also... to kill the fun... you can absolutely be fired for fucking around too much during these things)

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

Write everything down from this thread on a comically rolled up piece of paper. When the opportunity for questions arises get your comically long list of questions out and unroll it bugs bunny style, then begin.

Be totally and completely serious about the questions you have. This is a shooter situation after all, it's an incredibly serious matter and the details all matter.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

the scroll that falls down and unrolls all the way across the room and bumps into the wall, pull out your tiny little reading glasses

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[–] Egon@hexbear.net 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Make them actually test the systems they're trying to test: Don't show up at the panic area. When you're in the area, make it hard to count you all by making everyone walk around a lot. Ask questions all the time. Take charge of leading people, lead them down the wrong path. Insist you are doing this to make sure an actual drill will work, since actual drills don't go perfect (Honestly this is what you're supposed to do when you're running a drill, you're supposed to test the strains of the system, see where it fails, so you can improve upon it for the future.)

Alternatively start a fire

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Ask them question whenever the active shooter training intersects with some other corporate rule

"So do I still have to lock my PC if I get up during an active shooter drill"?

"Do I have to clock out when I leave the premises?"

etc.

the more bullshit the underlying rule the better.

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[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

the objectively funniest would be to choose that day to go postal

please don't actually do that though

[–] Rashav3rak@hexbear.net 49 points 2 years ago (1 children)

someone already said to my boss "oh they're getting us all in a room so we're fish in a barrel?"

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Makes you feel safe at work huh

[–] supafuzz@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

you know you live in a healthy society when people use gallows humor to cope with their potential for violent death at the office

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The normalization of it is baffling. I brought up how even the idea of this occurring makes me want to avoid the office especially since I knew two people who brought guns for a potential “good guy with a gun” scenario

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[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago (3 children)
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[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

"I thought 'active shooter training' meant you were going to train us in active shooting"

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago

Ask “which weapons and ammo are we being given for this training?”

[–] FloridaBoi@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

“Can I pretend to be the shooter?”

[–] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

call the police and give them the description of the instructor(s)

[–] improbably_me@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ask for ballistic rating of various pieces of office furniture.

[–] Spike@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The phrase/term "active-shooter training" shouldn't exist wtf is wrong with America

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[–] hypercube@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (2 children)

try and press them for info on the real threat: the Sea Peoples

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