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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 152 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Also dealerships: $10k mark up on this bad boy!

Why do we even have dealerships?

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's a delicate ecosystem: the car salesmen need their cut to spend on drinking and gambling or else the bars and dog tracks will shut down causing more unemployment.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 16 points 2 years ago

All part of a petroleum-based economy.

[–] LifeOfChance@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not to mention coke isn't exactly cheap when it's not served in a bottle or a glass.

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[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 50 points 2 years ago
[–] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 17 points 2 years ago

Because dealers have lobbied to have the law mandate them.

I know "deregulation" is a bit of a dirty word, but some regulations are genuinely bad. In this case, it's literal textbook rent seeking, in the economics sense.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I'd like to be able to order a vehicle off Amazon and have it delivered. That really isn't so crazy.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Yes, especially since they don’t have to be fitted like clothes or shoes. It’s off-the-shelf anyways.

That’s the one thing where I agree with Musk, they’re not necessary.

[–] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't want amazon involved in anything, but I've bought a car off the internet before and had it delivered. I only had to to go anywhere to do the wire transfer at my bank.

[–] ripcord@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago

Carvana actually works pretty well this way.

[–] Bebo@literature.cafe 2 points 2 years ago

I remember coming across an article on amazon planning to start selling Hyundai cars online. This is the one https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/amazon-hyundai-partnership

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[–] mierdabird@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 2 years ago

These stories piss me off, because I tried from January to May to buy a Chevy Bolt from a dozen plus dealers and all I found was markups, falsely advertising customer pre-ordered vehicles as available for sale, and even 3 year old models with 5000 miles being advertised as "new."

I finally gave up and bought a used car from an independent honest dealer. All this talk of EV's not being able to sell is just the dealer tactics coming back to haunt them and I say fuck them

[–] zerbey@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Start selling cheaper ones. The day a sub $20,000 EV comes along that can do more than 150 miles on a charge you will all shut up and take my money. I don't need fancy features, I just need something that can get me to work and back with a bit of wiggle room and never have to pay for gas again. 150 miles would be more than sufficient, but 200 would be PERFECT. Leaf and Bolt are close, can we get something a little cheaper, pretty please?

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Not many quality ICE vehicles come at that price point these days.

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[–] themurphy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

How about you and the manufacturers sell them cheaper, and now here me out. Maybe then, and I know this is a crazy idea. But could we make it so that the already rich multi million dollar owners earned less?

Nah, wouldn't want that. I'm sure VW and the gang need the money.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

We have no money and everything is more expensive.

[–] sudoku@programming.dev 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if only EVs remain, there won't be any problem selling.

[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Unless those EVs start at $50,000. Then they're gonna be hard to move no matter what.

[–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I hope these prices can't help move to public transit. I hate vehicle maintenance and insurance.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is the best summary I could come up with:


After making record profits in the wake of the pandemic and the collapse of just-in-time inventory chains, they're now complaining that selling electric vehicles is too hard.

Almost 4,000 dealers from around the United States have sent an open letter to President Joe Biden calling for the government to slow down its plan to increase EV adoption between now and 2032.

More and more car buyers are opting to go fully electric each year, although even a record 2023 will fail to see EV uptake reach double-digit percentages.

Mindful of the fact that transportation accounts for the largest segment of US carbon emissions and that our car-centric society encourages driving, the US Department of Energy published a proposed rule in April that would alter the way the government calculates each automaker's corporate average fuel efficiency.

Over the summer, industry analysts at Cox Auto made plenty of headlines with data showing that new EV inventory was growing.

Helpfully, the dealers published a complete list of the 3,882 signatories, making it very easy for people to see which businesses are opposing action on climate change.


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[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago

Huge discounts on EVs? I really need to get out and see this!

[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

Biden: Sounds like a you problem.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

While in Canada there is 12-24 months wait time for an EV...

[–] KrummsHairyBalls@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is that because they just aren't making them because no one can afford them?

I just paid $18,000 for an 8 year old base model Jeep Patriot with 210K.

Car market is fucked.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

The wait time is because there is too much demand and not enough supply. Some people are selling their "waiting list place" for like $2000...

And yes car market is fucked, new or used. I have a 10yo car and couldn't afford a new one in case of total or something :-/

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