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[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 97 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You will own nothing, and you will like it.

[–] gregorum@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm super glad I recently made the switch to XCP-ng for my home lab hypervisor.

[–] nakal@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago

I mostly use lightweight virtualization with containers and jails at home. I have one BHyVe VM, but I plan to eliminate virtualization completely. It's a waste of resources for my setup.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Broadcom is one of the worst fuckin suppliers

[–] phillaholic@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] Darkaga@kbin.social 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You have to leave room for Oracle.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago

Obligatory: fuck Adobe

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like SAP takes the security-through-obscurity approach to not getting shit talked in these chains. As someone who has dealt with oracle, solarwinds, and sap, sap wins full stop.

[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

SAP is evil incarnate. Their "consultants" are the worst form of con artists, and completely incompetent.

[–] 108@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I hated working with SAP. It was such a malformed beast.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used to root against the Golden State Warriors solely because they played at the Oracle Arena.

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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Say what you will about Oracle; at least VirtualBox is open source.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Broadcom is really really bad, but there's a lot of competition in that space.

[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 51 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 34 points 1 year ago

Software as a scam

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think a lot of enterprises are going to look at RHEV and Proxmox now. Broadcom will squeeze so little out of VMware thinking they can convert per seat licenses, it's baffling to me why they decided to do this. Do all these companies want to spend $2 to make $1 all the sudden?

Watch: in a year they'll offload it to private equity.

[–] d3Xt3r@lemmy.nz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think a lot of enterprises are going to look at RHEV

I don't think so, because:

Development of RHV has ceased and as of August 2020 the product is now only receiving maintenance updates, with extended life phase updates provided until 2026.[8] The successor to RHV is Red Hat's OpenShift container platform.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Virtualization

Proxmox

I'm no expert btw, but from what I understand (from speaking with others and researching for my own homelab setup) is that LXD/Incus is now the preferred solution over Proxmox. LXD is faster, the CLI is very good, it has a huge library of ready to run Linux distro images which is convenient, and it runs on top of your favorite distro, which makes it easy to install/setup, more flexible, and more compatible (Proxmox runs an old and custom kernel, which may not be fully compatible with new hardware).

[–] demonsword@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Watch: in a year they’ll offload it to private equity.

and that's the kiss of death for any company

[–] knobbysideup@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

Proxmox is a decent option, or just use kvm provisioning directly with ansible.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I get why enterprise likes VMWare but KVM isn’t harder to deal with. I’ve always worked at smaller companies so this isn’t an expert opinion. But I’ve always felt like at the infrastructure level, it ends up being cheaper to hire experts and run the open source solution (assuming it’s mature and at feature parity) than pay licensing and support fees.

An expert in one thing will usually add to your company in other ways too. Talent > “solutions” in the long run.

[–] Nomad 44 points 1 year ago

I learned years ago that buying something from a big company instead of using a free open source solution is about aoutsourcing responsibility. Its about being able to sue a company about damages instead of hiring reliable personell to run and write fixes for foss software. Also insurance is much easier.

Not that I follow that advice, my company is still 99% foss software.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Let me tell you about a large bank and two data centers operated using VMware and the type of talent the bank is able to hire and retain. A move away from VMware is a 5-year project involving hiring, retraining, design mistakes, budget overruns, and a lot of grey hair. The year was 2012. 7 years later, one DC converted to OpenStack, the project is shelved and the majority of th OpenStack DC gets converted back to VMware due to "OpenStack disaster."

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[–] somenonewho@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

I work in hosting. We mostly use Proxmox for our Hypervisors which is already a step up from "bare" KVM in regards to convenience/ease of use (especially for High availability scenarios and the like) We also run VMWare and while I don't love the "locked down you gotta do it the VMWare way" nature it's often so much easier and the HA is mich more convenient. Also it has proper functionality for custom resourcing/access/billing.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Say what? Going back to only KVM in modern DCs is some crazy talk. If your org is small enough that KVM is even remotely an option, then I'd recommend running a cost/benefit analysis on whether hosting a small server farm on prem is even worthwhile.

But when you're managing hundreds of servers with dozens of various purposes, FOSS solutions aren't always tenable. And not using a mature, feature complete virtualization platform is just straight up masochistic, not to mention potentially dangerous from a security standpoint.

I agree that talent > solutions, but if you want to retain that talent, you have to make their lives not miserable at work, which means sometimes having to purchase solutions to make their lives easier.

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[–] uid0gid0@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Broadcom used to be a worthwhile company, but now their whole M.O. seems to be buying up mature solutions and price-gouging the companies that rely on those solutions. They sell off the parts they can't price gouge with and then the solutions stagnate. They did it with CA, and again with Symantec, and now it's VMware's turn.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Broadcom's business was making chips and this is a horizontal move into new territory. Baffling.

[–] SimonSaysStuff@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I first deployed ESX back in 2003 and from then on I was a huge fan of VMware. So, watching Broadcoms changes unfold is a little sad.

What i really wanted to ask is, for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays? I don't work in this area any more so I'm out of touch.

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Linux KVM. I've used it on bare metal production servers for years.

[–] netburnr@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My bet is Nutanix is going to grow a lot over the next few years.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

for meduim to large enterprises that want on-prem infrastructures what are their options nowadays?

Proxmox probably comes the closest, there's also...HyperV (gross)

[–] Rognaut@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Your option is Azure or AWS...

/s

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[–] lightnegative@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The enshittifications will continue until morale improves

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[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

Good thing I just dumped them for proxmox.

[–] fuckstick@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Is anyone really shocked? They publicly stated months ago that 70% of VMware’s profits come from Fortune 500 companies and that’s what they would focus on.

[–] LainOfTheWired@lemy.lol 12 points 1 year ago

Ah another company ruining the company they just acquired

[–] CriticalMiss@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I saw this starting to happen around 2 years ago when they first hinted at this purchase. Instantly bought proxmox licenses (which are very cheap, by the way, in case you need help convincing some management people) for our hypervisors and haven’t looked back since. Very satisfied, very glad I’m not a VMware shop anymore.

[–] packetloss@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We just renewed support for our socket based perpetual licences for 3 years. This gives us plenty of time to find an alternative solution.

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[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Anyone know if QEmu or any other solutions 3D support is near or as good as VMWare Workstation yet?

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gpu passthrough, if you can do that will always be most performant.

If you want the qemu/kvm equivalent of what vmware workstation does, than look into virtualgl, which is very good (a wine port on android uses this to get good performace without direct access to host hardware), but it still may not be everything you want.

[–] Kushia@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Ideally what VMWare Workstation does would be preferable as the stuff isn't like super heavy 3D but it needs a little more than what CPU alone provides.

[–] ichbinjasokreativ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not directly my experience, but qemu/KVM is used for VM-gaming with near bare metal performance

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 3 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Broadcom has moved forward with plans to transition VMware, a virtualization and cloud computing company, into a subscription-based business.

However, in May, soon after announcing its plans to acquire VMware, Broadcom CEO Hock Tan signaled a “rapid transition” to subscriptions.

For years, software and even hardware vendors and investors have been pushing IT solution provider partners and customers toward recurring revenue models.

VMware's blog this week listed "continuous innovation" and "faster time to value" as customer benefits for subscription models but didn't detail how it came to those conclusions.

A CRN report in late November pointed to VMware partners hearing customer concern about potential price raises and a lack of support.

Howdyshell, CEO of Advizex, which reportedly made $30 million in VMware-tied revenue in 2022, told the publication that partners and customers were experiencing "significant concern and chaos” around VMware sales.


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