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[–] skydivekingair@lemmy.world 177 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clickbait, he tweeted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool” later on.

[–] ares35@kbin.social 113 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In a follow-up post a day after his initial Tweet, Johnie noted “inaccuracy in the ASUS router tool,” with regard to Apple iMessage data use. Other LG smart washing machine users showed device data use from their router UIs. It turns out that these appliances more typically use less than 1MB per day.

the writer knew that the stats were bunk, yet wrote the article anyway. the site knew this, too, tacked-on the clickbait headline and published it. toms really has gone to shit the last few years--at least under the current ownership (last changed hands 2018).

[–] br3d@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Speaking of which, it uses the same web interface as a lot of other news sites. Newsletter popup, autoplay video part-way down that then jumps to the top of the screen, etc. What Hifi is the same, and there are various other sites all with the same annoying engine. Two questions: (1) are all these sites owned by the same company and (2) is there a browser extension that can fix them?

[–] ares35@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

yes, it's the same ownership (scroll down to the bottom). they have dozens of sites. don't know of any specific addons to help with them, though. custom ublock origin rules, perhaps.

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

and here we are 17 hours later with it as one of the top stories on this site.

We are soooooooo reddit 2.0.

[–] nulluser@programming.dev 14 points 1 year ago

And OP presumably read the article, knew there was no actual story, and posted it here anyway.

[–] TalesFromTheKitchen@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Thanks for saving me the click.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 58 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Anybody in his right minds wouldn't connect a washing machine to WiFi in the first place.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I'd connect it to wifi maybe. I wouldn't connect it to the Internet.

When it comes to home automation I'm generally onboard, but it's local control or nothing.

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[–] abhibeckert@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

I dunno about you, but I would love to get a notification on my watch when the machine has finished it's cycle. The stupid high pinched repeated beeping noise sucks... especially when it's the next door neighbour's washing machine and they're not even home, so it goes on and on for fucking hours. And I'd like to see proper error descriptions on my phone, instead of just "UE" on the timer LCD. WTF is a "UE" error?

If we're going to get really fancy... I'd love to be able to load the machine in the morning, but tell it to actually start running several hours later while I'm at work. I obviously don't want clean wet clothes going mouldy in the washing machine all day... but I don't really want to run the washing machine when I'm home either, because it's noisy.

Remote activation would also be better for the environment and also better for my clothes - I'd use the the slow gentle economy cycle every time if I could remotely trigger it at 3pm on a weekday. I'm definitely not going to use that on the evenings (when I'll be asleep in 3 hours) or on weekends (when I don't know if I'll be home in 3 hours time).

A wifi connected washing machine sounds like a great feature to me, and I'd happily pay for it (with dollars, not with an invasion of privacy). I guess that means I won't be buying an LG.

[–] 5gruel@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know. My washing machine beeps three times in increasing intervals, so it isn't that intrusive. The display shows me unique error codes that I can look up when someone happens. And I can set the machine to finish in a set amount of hours, so it will start just in time to be done when I'm back. All without WiFi

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As an appliance repair man if 20 years don't ever connect your application to the wifi.

Knowing what part of the cycle your washing machine is in at all times is useless information.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anybody in his right minds wouldn't ~~connect~~ buy a washing machine ~~to~~ with WiFi in the first place.

Ftfy

Said this elsewhere recently, family had a washing machine for 30 years, from when I was little to in my 30's. Just fixed as needed. Could've still fixed it when they replaced it, just felt it was time.

I've never had dirty clothes come out of a washing machine, using cold water and powder soap. Not sure why people think an agitator needs all this nonsense attached.

I still buy my machines used off Craigslist. Current one (apartment style) is 20 years old, I've had it for 5 if them. Cost me less than $200. Replaced a spring for $20 so far.

There are no IoT/smart devices in my house (well, damn TV, but I'm workin on that).

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago
[–] ioslife@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 year ago (4 children)

No it couldn’t. My washing machine cant connect to my network! I can’t think of a valid reason why I would even want that.

[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I can think of a very valid reason. I very often forget that I ran the washing machine, I'm already investigating how to send a notification to my phone or computer after it is done. Right now I am checking how much electricity it consumes and when it stops doing it. But a API would be nicer.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried it with our dish washer, just to see what it's about. Turns out it's all about nothing. It's absolutely void of any useful functionality.

[–] loobkoob@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yeah, I don't get it. I guess I can see the appeal of some "Internet Of Things" connected appliances, like smart fridges suggesting recipes and keeping track of stock and auto-populating shopping lists for you. I don't need that personally, but I can see why it could appeal to some people.

But things like washing machines and dishwashers? You need to be there in person to fill them up just before they're ready to go on, and to empty them when they're done. And when they're not turned on, they're sat there doing nothing. What "smart" functions can they even offer?

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What "smart" functions can they even offer?

Notification that the cycle is finished and checking how much is left.

But that's about it.

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[–] corroded@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It really irritates me when IoT devices force you to use "the cloud" for access. My home automation consists of roughly 100 devices. The vast majority are Zigbee, but a few use wifi. With the exception of my irrigation controller, all the wifi devices are blocked at the firewall from accessing the internet. The fact that I have to send a command half way across the country to a remote server only so it can send it right back to my home network when I want to change the watering schedule for my plants is ridiculous. Sure, I could buy a different controller, but I already spent $300 once. I'm not doing it again.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

You should explain this to your plants so they show the appropriate level of gratitude.

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[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Why are people connecting their machines to wifi in the first place?

[–] XeroxCool@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

It's starts with a sales pitch (not just to you, it's sales pitches all the way down) about how the washer can send the user status, maybe let them schedule, etc. They probably have an app to pair with it to keep it all in-house. One thing leads to another, every appliance gets wifi and sends a ton of data to a totally undoubtedly secure and anonymous centralized server full of harmless data for the sake of saving the customer 15 steps.

Big Brother didn't ride in on the back of a commie tank, he was invited in for the slightest increase of convenience.

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[–] db2@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Imagine spending extra money on a new clothes washer only to have someone turn it in to a crypto miner. 😬

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

I'm too lazy to come up with a witty money laundering joke.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

The 'S' in IoT stands for security

[–] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Internet of Targets

[–] crandlecan@mander.xyz 19 points 1 year ago

Plot twist: it was the Asus router misreporting the amount of data.

[–] Olap@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Until a robot can hang up my washing, my machine is staying off any networks

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[–] makunamatata@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Bought “smart” LG fridge, range and dishwasher a couple of years ago and never connected any of them, they function like they are supposed to, refrigerate, heat food and clean dirty dishes. No need to connect.

Fridge manual explained something like “in case of peak energy consumption your smart energy company can send a signal to your fridge to not use power”. What the heck do I need that for? To find spoiled food and mold growing in the fridge later on?

Why does one need to connect a range to WiFi?

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Some people have hourly electric pricing, in their case it's worth scheduling stuff based on predicted pricing. How that should work is that you'd have a home server which controls your IoT stuff (so the gadgets themselves can be firewalled from the internet and controlled only by you) and then your server would fetch pricing data and pause stuff that doesn't need to run when prices are high and run stuff like washing when it's cheap

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[–] aluminium@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thats gonna me my new excuse when I loose in CoD. The washing machine was clogging up the Network.

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[–] EatMyPixelDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

If you buy a "smart" washing machine and actually connect it to the internet, you deserve what you get.

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[–] kinther@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

I have a similar model washer/dryer and refuse to put it on my wifi. I only want it to wash and dry.

[–] Treczoks@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Just put the device on a separate wifi without internet access, or look at the "child protection" features of your router. Ours can put devices based on their MAC into "access groups" which range from "full access" over "internet from <time> to <time>" to "no internet at all".

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The article mentions that his router is probably to blame.

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[–] hOrni@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

A: Why would a washing machine have internet access? B: If it has the option, why would You even connect it to the internet? C: If it has to be connected to the internet, why would You even buy it?

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago

At least regarding the last point: maybe because there was no other option.

If you need specific features or have certain space constraints, you may end up with only two or three devices.

As an example: try to find a TV (not a monitor, a real TV with tuner, etc) without WiFi. Almost impossible.

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[–] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The issue with web IpT is that devices send data reports of their status every fraction of a second. The packet may just be a few bytes but over time it adds up. Instead I wished they could just send status when they change state and wait for a confirmation but that’s harder to code…

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[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Why a washing machine need the connect to the Internet in the first place?

[–] CeeBee@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So that they can call it "smart" and charge more for it.

[–] KnightontheSun@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t forget they can now get you to download their app to use those smrt features. Load that app…yes, that’s right.

Now that you’ve done that, they have your sweet sweet data.

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