"You will own nothing and you will be happy" - Some rich fuck
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As everyone else here, I think piracy is illegal and immoral. We should accept that we don't own our services and software and we should never doubt that corporations have our best interest in mind.
Therefore you should never have a Plex server, never use protonmail, never use AdGuard Home, never use AdGuard DNS for private DNS.
Also you should never use Firefox with UBlock origin sponsorblock and consent o magic.
Lastly you should never ever use re-vanced and x-manager, and God forbid don't use a VPN
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The only subscriptions I am willing to pay for:
Phone bill - no choice
Internet bill - no choice
Insurance - no choice
World of Warcraft - sue me
Costco membership - worth it
VPN - worth it
I don't pay for any others. Paid for lifetime Plex for the convenience of not needing to pay for a website domain like I would for jellyfin, and self host my own music, tv, and movies
3 of those are services. Most subscription shit we see these days are products that they want us to treat like services even though there is no on going consumption. All of these software subscription services are just grifts.
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Costco membership - worth it
Just got my Executive Membership rebate. It more than paid for the membership. We're basically shopping at Costco for free.
Furthermore, Costco employees will never push you to get the executive membership, if your previous year did not have enough spending on it to at least pay back the difference.
We actually had the Costco customer service Tell us to cancel our executive membership, because we didn't earn enough over the year
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Subscriptions are O(n)
One time purchases are O(1)
You want O(1)..
a subscription to a service X is O(n), where n is for how long you keep that service.
instead purchasing the content provided by X individually, is O(m), where m is how much content you buy.
if in one subscription term, you would spend more purchasing individual content than one subscription fee to X, it is financially more efficient to use X.
however, this assumes you will only consume a piece of content once, and dont care about having a physical/true copy of it.
a O(1) scenario would be like a lifetime subscription to X.
ps: i am fully on the side of owning media, and i have no idea if this comment is actually true, it just sounds smart :-)
I hate people defending subscriptions. They are not required for anything other than insurance or something you guaranteed will keep, like phone contracts. If they need more money for content, release content packs and dlc. Online should not cost, especially if someone like Nintendo is using peer2peer or will shut down the online servers anyways at some point.
I prefer paying for services with my money insead of with my data, but I can see both sides.🤷
Paying with your money and your data is more likely. The issue is not subscriptions imo either. It is getting sucked into megacorp schemes that will destroy competition with cheap prices and then enshittify and or raise prises once there is no alternative. Oh, and influence legislators to make competition illegal (youtube got big on copyright infringement).
Therefore I reduce megacorp stuff. I shop local, watch my dvds and started buying music again.
They can fuck off. So can everyone who has this neat reason why resistance to megacorps is futile.
Sure, I too would prefer to pay with money instead of data. But that's a false dichotomy. Many of the services that require subscription also collect your data. Whereas offline local solutions do not collect your data. There are things were you pay with money and data, there are things where you pay with just money, or just data, and there are things where you don't pay at all. So it isn't really a 'both sides' issue.
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Subscription based service makes data harvesting much easier. Spotify can force you to connect to their server even if you downloaded your song, in the name of "verifying your subscription".
Buy the songs, buy the movie, take them offline.
That being said there are good subscription based service, like home assistant cloud, where all your communications are always E2E encrypted and cannot be seen by their server. Their subscription model is justified, as they rent their servers.
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Cups of coffee money is what donations for FOSS devs is for.
Dropbox, Spotify, and a VPN are worth it: fight me.
Sure, Spotify doesn't pay artists enough and I miss having Neil Young available for streaming, but what are the other options that work well in the car? I'm not going to go back to using discs or plugging in MP3 players to the aux port, and I don't mind paying the bands directly for merch/albums if I'm really a fan. Considering I mostly listen to vinyl at home, I'm not paying Spotify for music; I'm paying Spotify for the convenience of being able to not listen to terrestrial radio and to be able to listen to what I like in the car or at work without the need for Youtube.
And my personal Dropbox account that I also use for work is well worth 15$/mo for 2TB of storage. It's saved me so much grief to be able to back up phone photos, access my work files from any computer, keep records of my personal documents, etc., and the software is both more cost effective and better designed than Google Drive or OneDrive. PDF's of my RPG books/characters/maps? Dropbox. Grocery list text file? Dropbox. Place to stash tabs/sheet music that is easily kept organized without the need for a physical copy? Dropbox. Phone number of that parent who saw my partner's car get tagged in the parking lot at school? Wait, I think I have her phone number in an spreadsheet from when I coached her daughter in tee-ball...gimme a sec...yep, it's in my Dropbox. In a side note, Dropbox may have turned me into a digital hoarder.
But the rest of this subscription-based garbage can get bent.
I recently switched from Spotify to Deezer. They offer high fidelity audio streaming which is a very noticable difference. Also, they're a bit cheaper, and you can easily move all your songs/saved playlists to Deezer
You need to be a certain kind of person to perceive audio quality difference. One, you need to be able to detect the difference. Two, you need to be able to appreciate the difference. And Three, which everyone seems to ignore, you need to have bought a sufficiently expensive device that can make the difference.
In short, if you have an $18 desktop speaker, get the FLAC outta here.
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I love the two sides of "It's about the price of a cup of coffee" like they're not referring to a 30oz premium milkshake with a shot of espresso, not a regular black coffee.
Then the
"Your generation can't afford anything because of your coffee addiction!"
Like companies aren't just monetizing every single last thing and telling us "you'll own nothing and you'll LIKE IT!"
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The only sub I use is Spotify. I share it across my friends and family and like their vast catalog. They also don't charge for their API so I can integrate it with Home Assistant.
My friends and family agree downloading songs manually sucks.
Piracy is a service issue. I have no problems with subscriptions as long as the price and service outpace piracy.
If the price gets to a point it doesn't make sense, I go back to piracy.
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Tfw I paid for a subscription to access my textbook this semester.
Granted, it's not just a textbook. My Spanish classes use VHL Central, which includes a textbook with videos, audio files, virtually endless practice assignments, and pretty much all of our assignments and course material.
It's a really great tool, I guess I just wish I could keep access to it after I graduated. (I think you can purchase a textbook, but definitely not the full program.) Ah, well. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That kind of model is unfortunately common for university courses. I had it for my language courses, and a couple of the core maths courses.
The online platform justifies a subscription by providing additional resources, homework grading, etc. Fair enough, honestly, if they want to charge you $15 or something reasonable. But when textbook access gets rolled into the bundle, it tends to inflate the subscription cost and also have the convenient-for-the-publisher side effect of temporary access to the text. Lose-lose, from a student perspective.
I had a course that required we buy a license to Pearson's service in order to submit homework. $100+ to view a pdf for a semester and submit homework through a buggy form interface. I still hold a grudge against everyone in the department for that decision.
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Yo ho/All hands/Hoist the colors high
"Yo ho, fiddle-dee dee, a [REDACTED_DUE_TO_LEMMY.WORLD_POLICY]'s life for me!"
but also
"Having fun isn't hard if you have a library card!"
I've been checking out so many good shows and movies from my local public library
And they wonder why tides of the high seas is on the rise again.
Netflix and Spotify actually makes sense to be subscription based. Amazon depends on how often you do shopping through them since it's actually free (if you don't include the fees) to function. I definitely wouldn't pay for Dropbox but cloud storage and sync pretty much has to be a monthly subscription. If you are going to be against something at least be against to the parts that makes sense to be against of.
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Spotify makes sense to have based on pure convenience. NSO is alright, but if you already emulate, there's not much point in NSO due to Switch online multiplayer being ass. Paying for Adobe is amateur hour. Dropbox? Don't make me laugh. Twitter blue is just sad.
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I don’t mind Xbox Game Pass when there’s a deal on it for $1 but I make sure not to auto renew
This is gong to sound nuts, but subscriptions aren't a problem for me, auto renewals are. I like to be in control of my finances, so whenever I sign up for something I pick a term I can live with, 1,3, 6 or 12 months, I pay, and I immediately go to the account management screen and cancel.
I don't care if it's inconvenient to have to think about it every so often, but I'm in control of the spending and to me that's what matters.
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I honestly just don't use these services, and never recommend them, entirely because they are subscription-based.
As a model, it is largely focused on trapping the user who forgets to cancel. Many also use sneaky ways to avoid a user cancelling in time, and give no warnings.
Honestly, if the service respects my privacy and isn't littered with ads, I don't mind paying at all. Like I wouldn't mind paying a monthly fee for services provided by Proton, for example, for email, online storage, vpn, etc. I think it's fair. There's a lot of infrastructure behind it and employees. Things don't just run by themselves for free.
But when I pay for a subscription and they publish ads as well for extra income, not only does it make my experience unpleasant, but it's incredibly greedy. And when I get charged for a service that exploits all my private data to create a user profile that can be sold and used to push targeted ads and other fake information with the goal of changing my opinion on important democratic topics, then that's when I start completely avoiding that service altogether.
The only thing I pay for is Crunchyroll. As for me it's worth it as I get tons of stuff the watch for £5 a month and it's also pretty easy to rip anything exclusive. And then I don't feel like I'm giving nothing back to Japan when I pirate anything they don't have I want.
I also pay for a VPS, but I'd say that's renting more then it is a subscription.
Wait... "limited ads"? Are there still some ads with Spotify Premium?
No, some podcasts still have sponsors embedded in the content but that's not Spotify themselves.
I have not seen any.
The songs you listen to when you are listening on random are often ads. Record companies will do "pay for placement" deals to get songs and artists they promote out there.
They used to call it payola when it was on the radio and it was illegal.
Yes, a cup of coffee every 5 minutes
I only have Netflix, and it's included with my t mobile.
I guess I also have amazon prime, but I just use it for the free shipping and it gets used a lot with the family.
Fuckers wearing $2000 suits out here panhandling
I like to apply some business logic to it.
- I expect to use the product or functionality provided by x on a regular basis
- The use of x has no added utility
- The functionality and/or feature set (e.g. content) of x may degrade significantly without warning and/or recourse
- Unavailability of x is likely to render it completely useless
If most of these conditions can be regularly sufficiently true, then searching an alternative that incorporates proper ownership is a good course of action.
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