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I work in the space industry. I feel like I should be celebrating this, but I just find it hard to be enthusiastic about the commercialization of space.
I didn't get into this to build hotels, and mine asteroids. I feel like as a species we should continue to explore, and push the boundaries.
I just can't get behind private industry on the moon. This is a bad move for humanity overall.
I feel like asteroid mining should be a good thing. We would be able to get the resources we need without sacrificing our planet. I don't feel like that's feasible under capitalism.
Space is expensive, and never gets the attention it deserves. Only a handful of countries could do much space exploration and as they try to explore more it rapidly gets more expensive, longer timeframe. We need to face that from a societal perspective it just doesnβt scale.
Commercializing space doesnβt just mean silly things like orbital hotels, but it means more, better, cheaper access to space and space resources. It means distributing efforts for better scalability. It means multiple funding sources so weβre less dependent on the whims f politicians. It means someone else can take care of the βeasyβ stuff, so NASA/ESA/JSA/CSA/ASA/etc can focus on the bigger challenges of exploration.
More international cooperation is also a huge part of this. We need to continue the model of cooperation from ISS, so we can all build on each otherβs efforts, and reach out into the solar system as βhumanityβ
You do realize these "commercial companies" such as SpaceX are funded by government contracts right? You're not telling me anything I don't already know. And you're also not going to change my opinion. Space isn't meant to be the next capitalist playground, which is what we are trying to do.
Space is unfathomably enormous. I'd much rather have heavy industry fucking up shit in space than destroying our planet to strip it of its resources. I say let them go up there for asteroid/moon/whatever mining.
Yes, that's true, but low earth orbit isn't. If we put too much junk up there, we can kiss going to space goodbye.
we can kiss going to space goodbye.
and all satellite services, such as GPS & earth observation...
I didn't say anything about LEO, as last I checked there isn't much heavy industry that would be appealing to do in that area. Asteroid or moon mining and production would be outside of LEO. But yes, too much space garbage in LEO is a bad thing that should definitely be avoided as much as possible.
I just think taking a strict anti-commercial stance in space is a bit naive and unreasonable. Like I said, it's enormous, who gives a shit what Blue Origin or SpaceX or whoever ends up doing in the asteroid belt a hundred years from now?
Did you miss the part where I said I work in the space industry, I have 10 years of engineering experience, and I've been out of school a long damn time. Don't insult my intelligence. I'm not a child, and I'm certainly not naive. Go spout off your uninformed opinions elsewhere. I'm in a bad mood today, haven't been sleeping well, and I really don't feel like explaining basic shit to you just so you understand my point of view.
Itβs not though. New regulations require 5 year deorbit from Leo, and StarLink has bedn delivering on that
Yeah, China has done a bang up job of following that by blowing up satellites... they basically undid 25 years worth of cleanup efforts with that one selfish act. Seriously, yall need to go somewhere else. I'm not having this conversation with people who are uninformed. I'm tired of it.
Luckily, the moon is in Low Earth Orbit! It's good to have you on out side, comrade
The moon isn't in LEO actually. But you have to go through LEO to get there.
Space isnβt meant to be the next capitalist playground, which is what we are trying to do.
Regardless of what it's "meant" to be it will be the final capitalist playground.
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Home is where the heart is, but the stars are made of latinum. -- 75th Rule of Acquisition
1,000% agree with you. What will the first Applebee's on the moon serve?
Artisanal, locally sourced, organic cheese.
Wensleydale?
I hear you, brother. Same situation, same feelings about this :/
While I agree, isn't the end goal setting up a base on the moon?Hopefully it will be science first and tourism later. I wish I could just fast forward to star trek time :)
Probably, and as much as I love the science fiction of space travel, real life me isn't so into have space truckers hauling dorritos to the moon.
This stuff creates environmental damage, tons of space debris, and the more activity there is in near earth orbits, the more possibility there is for conjunctions, which means moving your satellite and wasting fuel. It's just not that smart.
But we're gonna do it anyway.
They had a lot of luck on Venus..
creates environmental damage, tons of space debris, and ... wasting fuel.
So, pretty much, the things that humans excel at.
Mid-term goal is to have a base near the moon to use as a staging point for interplanetary trips.
The Cold War fueled space exploration up to the point political support waned. It would be nice to see another space race to foster competition and technological advancement, hopefully without the Mutually Assured Destruction this time around.
Private industry is going to fill the void of a politically unpopular public space program, which is a shame.
It's not very reassuring that the last attempt crashed and burned, then NASA had to come in with the save on the landing for this one (the lander's laser landing guidance failed, and NASA jumped in with "don't worry, we brought one too just in case"
It's probably a joint effort anyway, they almost always are.
Their lasers failed because they forgot to turn them on (physical switch before launch).... Unbelievable.
Hotels would be just a vanity thing, but we would(could?) collectively benefit from mining asteroids and having industrial construction capabilities in space would make space exploration and space based energy collection easier.
Just waiting to see if it landed upright and we can get some pictures!
That third-person camera they were talking about sounds really bad-ass. I'm hoping for some pictures too!!
What'd a second-person perspective camera look like?
Second person point of viewΒ uses the pronoun βyouβ to address the reader. This narrative voice implies that the reader is either the protagonist or a character in the story and the events are happening to them.
You can't really have a second person camera angle, it would still be a first or third person perspective.
Split screen games have second person camera angles! You're able to see through the eyes of someone interacting with you but you aren't actually playing from their perspective.
It's first person view for them but second for you.
Maybe itβs a mirror then
Rover taking a photo of the lander.
And then the extra point.
"The lunar lander was privately built thanks to decades of public research and development and public funding (in the form of wage theft / tax evasion) which allowed the company to have enough capital to design and build the lander"
While I find the news generally exciting, damn was that a weird live stream. It all felt very anticlimactic.
Same. Weird there was no video just the control room
we're spoiled by spacex. this looked like an snl skit.
Weβre going to need some better communication systems for Artemis; on the other hand there will be humans on board who can monitor the communication uplink and adjust it as needed.