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[–] ExfilBravo@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Here's a tip. Pay your employees better.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you continually buy product from a place that doesn't pay their staff better, all you're doing is rewarding the business owner and telling them to keep doing what they're doing. It solves nothing and doesn't get rid of tipping culture to keep giving these shitty businesses your money.

[–] QuaternionsRock@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If you continually [work for] a place that doesn't pay their staff better, all you're doing is rewarding the business owner and telling them to keep doing what they're doing. It solves nothing and doesn't get rid of tipping culture to keep giving these shitty businesses your [time].

I obviously don’t agree with this opinion; I don’t think either of them makes sense. Boycotting a business from the consumer side leads to fewer tips and layoffs, while boycotting a business from the employee side results in… unemployment. Both scenarios objectively harm workers. Change either needs to come from the top down via legislation, or from the bottom-up via unionization.

[–] PilferJynx@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Profit trumps wages. Always has.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You think the cashier is the owner?

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[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My tipping habits are purely chaotic whim or lack of attention in the moment. I accidentally tipped $70 to the guy who tinted my windows the other day.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

My tipping habits are ask you boss for a raise. I'm already paying for the service through predicated prices.

[–] wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Greasing palms can accumulate good faith benefits. But I mean, tipping for a fast food burger, yeah... probably no tat for that tit.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shitty brutal take that punishes unorganized young workers and rewards the person making their life harder.

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[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

About a year ago I accidentally tipped a blackjack dealer thirty dollars.

I meant to tip ten (two red chips)

But my colorblind ass tipped thirty (one red chip one green chip)

I wasn't even mad when I realized what I'd done. Figured my mistake made that dealer's day just a tiny smidge better.

[–] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I love punishing low wage workers while making statements on how the system should change.

"Oh, you thought you could afford to take a day off this week to help an elderly parent make it to a doctor appointment? Nah, get fucked. You can't afford to that and buy groceries."

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It sucks that low wage workers are stuck in the middle, but corporations are also relying on customer guilt to pay their labor costs while posting record profits.

It's not really fair to blame the customer for that.

[–] Pissnpink@feddit.uk 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So your saying we should reward the buisness for their poor practice by giving them our money and then protest the practice of tipping by not giving the low wage worker any?

[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s not up to the customer to directly pay the wages of restaurant employees, period. No one is ever “owed” a tip. The food service industry convinces their employees otherwise, and the result is employees blaming customers for the wage theft that the employer is committing. Blaming customers for not tipping is misguided.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Okay. We're past this point in the debate. No, it SHOULDN'T be the customer's responsibility, but that's exactly what it becomes when you justify your nice night out off of the underpaid labor of someone who is just trying to pay their bills. Restaurant owners laugh all the way to the bank reading these threads because they're the ones profiting off of your disdain for a low income worker.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it is. Knowingly rewarding shitty business practices and making it "nobody's fault!" is literally your fault. The business has no incentive to change their policies if you keep spending money there.

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

I'm not sure how I made it "nobody's fault". It's the corporation's fault for low wages, and the government's fault for allowing them to do that.

You're right that they have no incentive to change on their own. And if every business is doing it, it's not realistic to tell consumers to just stop going to every business.

You realize you're turning against consumers in the same economic class instead of turning on the people actually creating the problem.

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[–] ArmokGoB@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not my fault the system is broken. I'm not going to subsidize them. If they want fair wages they should unionize.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago

Stop rewarding the business owner with your money while they're robbing their employees. You only exacerbate the situation with this mentality.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

No, you'll just subsidize the people exploiting them instead because it's convenient and you can't be bothered to heat up your own nuggies, all the while feeling holier than thou about not "subsidizing" the actual worker.

Sounds cool bro.

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[–] PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A local ice cream shop asked me to tip on the very first screen when I swiped my credit card. You scooped ice cream a couple of times and put it into a bowl. Ridiculous.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In Cupertino there was a self serve yogurt shop (I think it was called Yogurtland) where the cashier only rang you up by weight, and their checkout system asked for a tip, but they never offered to tip customers for doing the majority of the work.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are legitimate reasons to not tip someone. Being a cashier typically does not necessarily obligate someone to tip you. Lots of times people will say "keep the change" at a fast food restaurant and the workers take home maybe $10 each on a busy shift, but that isn't really tipping.

If you hate legitimate "tipping culture" so much, stop making it the minimum wage earner's problem that they work for a shitty employer and start boycotting places that refuse to pay their workers a living wage.

[–] Figureinplastic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fucking everywhere does this now. Are we boycotting everywhere?

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Australia doesn't do tips. I think they're saying move to Australia or you're a class traitor.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you have principles, yes.

Sorry that activism is inconvenient sometimes

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[–] Poggervania@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never tip if I’m picking up takeout food, but I will always tip if I’m eating in or if I’m getting it delivered to me.

I wish tipping was not a thing in the States, I’d rather pay more upfront and not have to tip :V

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

The thing is, these restaurants make more than enough money to pay their workers more. The tip culture came during a time when rich people wanted to be sat first ahead of the poors in line, so they bribed the maitre d to be preferentially treated. Any restaurant owner talking about "razor thin margins" is full of shit. I've seen what restaurant owners drive. I've seen the vacations they take. No restaurant owner at a successful restaurant is in the breadlines.

[–] Jordan_U@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Lemmy:

It's all about class solidarity!

Also Lemmy: Unless the minimum wage exploited employee is a cashier, in which case fuck'em.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's good to remember that no social media platform is a monolith of opinion.

[–] Jordan_U@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Fair.

It still seems like this post is getting far more support, and less pushback, than I would expect given the support I've seen for anti-capitalist, anti-work, "class consciousness", posts.

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

When the cashier has a union and strikes, I won't cross the line. Otherwise, get over it! Spit in my food if you have too.

I'm dealing with my own workers rights problems, I can't take on everyone else's at the same time.

[–] KombatWombat@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Servers have an established expectation of relying on tips to get a living wage, and often earn less than the minimum wage otherwise. The same is not true for cashiers. Maybe they should be paid more, but that should not be done by creating more reliance on tips to subsidize low wages.

[–] exocrinous@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Bosses are legally required to make up the difference to minimum wage if a tipped employee doesn't get enough tips.

If I tip a cashier, then we're taking money away from the working class to give to the working class, which means there's no net change. But if I refuse to tip, the boss has to make up the difference and the working class gets money from the capital class.

Therefore tipping is class treachery. You're depriving the workers of chances to take money from the bourgeois.

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[–] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tell me you haven't worked a menial job without telling me you haven't worked a menial job

[–] fiercekitten@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nah, I’ve worked in the food service industry. Places asking for tips on carryout orders is manipulative and gross.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

This neglects the very real COL crisis we're living in and the refusal for states to raise minimum wage to appropriate levels that allow these workers to actually survive. Demand better treatment of workers by not rewarding predatory businesses.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I've started carrying cash again for the first time in like 30 years, just so I don't have to deal with this shit anymore. Fuck off, beggars!

[–] vampire@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I only use cash cause fuck the bank and credit card company tracking every purchase I make and selling my data to anyone. Not getting extorted for bribes by these fuckheads is just a bonus.

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[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

You should never be afraid to not tip. It is optional.

[–] Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People who moralize tipping are fucking scum. Tip or don't. Preferably don't. Don't make a long list of BS rules when and how much you'll tip. Don't go off your gut either; because that's how you end up subconsciously tipping in ways that are passively racist and sexist. Flat amount.

Tip the same amount no matter what, even if that amount is zero.

[–] TheControlled@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Tips are usually pooled with the others that did the "work" you approve of.

You seem really cool anyway.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

When did he transition to a man? I’ve only ever seen him with huge jugs. Good for him.

[–] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Sounds like you're all "tip", actually. 🤌🏼

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