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There's been a lot of talk about SMR's over the years, it's nice to see one finally being built.

Even if it comes in over budget, getting the first one done will be a great learning experience and could lead to figuring out how to do future ones cheaper.

Assuming it's on time, completion in 2029, connected to grid in 2030.

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[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 5 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

The problem with using nuclear as baseload is that people have the wrong idea of what is required from a baseload power source.

A baseload power source's most important quality isn't constant output, it's rapidly adaptable output.

When it comes to cost, nothing beats solar. It's cheap, it's individually owned and especially with a battery the self-sufficiency basically means not paying for power anymore. So, people will adopt solar at greater numbers as the cost of solar panels is still dropping.

Solar and wind at peak times in several countries already exceed the demand. Nuclear, which is more expensive to run, now has a problem, because nobody wants to buy that energy. They'd rather get the cheaper abundant renewable power.

So, the nuclear reactor has to turn off or at least scale to a minimal power output during peak renewable hours. This historically is something nuclear reactors are just not good at. But even worse, it's a terrible economic prospect: nuclear is barely profitable as-is, having to turn it off for half the day kills the economic viability completely. Ergo, government subsidies are required to keep it operational.

Flexibility is king in the power network of the future. That means batteries or natural gas plants at the moment. Nuclear can be useful for nations without those and with a lagging renewable adoption, but it will be more expensive in the long run. It will also become more important to do heavy industrial tasks during peak renewable hours, so that the demand better matches the output.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

A baseload power source’s most important quality isn’t constant output, it’s rapidly adaptable output.

A baseload supply shouldn't need to throttle up and down, it's the Base Load. The load that exists 24hrs a day.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well that's exactly the popular misconception. The constant part of the baseload is the demand, not the supply. The total supply should always match that of course, but given the variable makeup of the supply, where renewable power sources are simply cheapest and at peak moments will supply the full demand, any other source will have to be variable as well to economically compete. Otherwise it's just making energy needlessly expensive.

[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Look at the demand and supply graphs for the 6 day period: https://www.ieso.ca/power-data

The lowest demand is about 12K MW, that is the base load, the load never goes below that. Nuclear and hydro cover that 12K MW constantly, and even hydro is throttles up and down to cover the some of the load that varies throughout the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_load

Power plants that do not change their power output quickly, such as some large coal or nuclear plants, are generally called baseload power plants.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 0 points 2 weeks ago

I know that nuclear and hydro can constantly cover it, the point is that when it's very sunny out countries with good solar adoption will already 100% cover it (if not more). The nuclear power at those times has to compete with cheaper solar power, which it loses on price. And because the grid can't handle more supply than demand, it requires shutting something off. The cheapest power is solar so you'd prefer to keep that on for economic reasons, but since nuclear is bad at scaling up and down you have to pick the more expensive option. This increases energy prices beyond what is really necessary.

This also becomes even less tenable as battery adoption increases.

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