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Absolutely mental.
Kier is boring, has floated some things that the electorate doesn't like (e.g. taking WFA away from the wealthy), and has done a very poor job highlighting the good that this government is doing, but is he fuck worse than Boris, Truss, or even Sunak.
People need to get some damn perspective.
His supposedly labour government has also doubled down on censoring wikipedia, calling people pedo-sympathizers for resisting absurd internet control laws that literally affect every digital facing international company, and is now promoting a digital ID straight out every digital era authoritatians or fascist's wet dreams.
Is he better than sunak? Probably? Kinda? That's a very low bar though and the fact that we even talk about it is sad. Their actions have been so much unlike what people think about when voting labour parties that it's surreal.
People reasonably feel cheated on given the party's supposed focus.
There's also been:
And a load more.
No, I'm not a fan of everything, especially not the OSA, but you can't expect to agree with every single action your government takes.
As for the government ID thing, it's hardly an authoritarian's dream when almost every country on planet Earth does it already. You may not realise it, but we're very much in the minority for not having this already.
Have a look at that list I rattled off the top of my head and try to tell me they aren't the actions of a Labour party.
You're letting your judgement be impaired by blindly focussing on a couple of issues you disagree with rather than looking at the whole picture.
E: absolute clowns ignoring reality. You people would rather have Reform in power than a centre-left party.
Just have to say, being in the minority for something does not mean it's all of a sudden a good thing and that everyone else must do it.
That's true. My point is that people acting like it's some awful mega authoritarian thing seems to be forgetting that we are one of 8 countries world wide without a unified government ID.
Half of the others being overseas territories or island microstates.
There's a lot of fear mongering going on surrounding these IDs, as if they're not an extremely normal thing.
Essentially calling 200+ countries fascist, like the above user is doing, is a pretty extreme reaction.
The problem is not the ID cards that other countries have. That would be reasonable, even if one could argue NINO is sufficient.
The problem is the online/app nature if them which, in conjunction with OSA, makes it dystopian control scenario.
I'm not ignoring those upsides that you mentioned, I just didn't mention them or wasn't aware. I like most of them for what it matters.
But I do still consider OSA and digital IDs an authoritarian measures and I do find this to be of high enough importance to potentially overshadow all of the above.
What's the point of living in a, arguably, more socialist state if your privacy doesn't exist? I'm not a bloody tanky and I don't like that angle, like many others.
Other countries have digital IDs. We are abnormal for not having them.
You're being whipped into a frenzy over something that is extremely normal.
Making it out to be fascist is brain-dead. Only an absolute moron of the highest calibre would believe that the UK is one of only 8 non-fascist states in the world.
The majority of the world considered slavery and women being subservient normal, that didn't make it right.
You think it's brain dead to reject a digital ID.
I think it's braindead to sacrifice privacy for the sake of safety, especially when it's so transparent that the goal is control and suppression and not "protecting the children".
To each his own.
Copying from Ohulancutash:
The trains were nationalised by the Tory government in 2020, and they also abolished franchising later that year. They also began to set up Great British Railways in 2021. All that’s happening now is the contracts are being withdrawn as they reach their break points.Steel has not been nationalised. The government has taken over the funding of redundancy payments and retraining for the shut down private sector Tata furnaces in Port Talbot, and has taken steps to force the owners of British Steel to keep the idle furnaces in Scunthorpe burning.There has also been no nationalisation in the energy sector. Great British Energy is set up as a way to subsidise projects created and run by the private sector and other public bodies. It will not generate, distribute or retail energy.
There's no need for you to lie.
Honestly on Sunak, I didnt particularly like him nor his party nor the policies pushed but the guy did give off the impression that he was genuinely trying to improve things and was giving it his all despite his party being a unruly shitshow.
I get the feeling history will wind up treating him as it did May, a kneecapped PM who did genuinely want to do some good in a political enviroment that didnt exactly allow for it.
Funny, all I saw was a smug time-server who didn't give a toss about British people who aren't rich.
Some say that he would have been good if he started when boris started.
I don't even think boris was the worse policy-wise. It's just he couldn't keep his MPs in line.
It's the expectation.
Boris and Truss were abject morons and Sunak was an insulated, rich Tory. They were expected to be terrible and so we weren't surprised.
Starmer won in a landslide victory for Labour and went about screwing the poor, arresting old ladies, and presiding over genocide. Conservatives hate him because he's on the Red Team, and the Left hate him because he acts like a Tory.
If he'd run as a Tory, he'd be scoring higher than everyone since Cameron, but he was supposed to fix the mess, not make it worse.
How has he screwed the poor?
Is any of that screwing the poor?
I didn't realise that when you're a certain gender or past a certain age the law should no longer apply?
Huh? He banned weapons exports to Israel, publicly condemned Israel for war crimes, sanctioned a bunch of members of their parliament, ramped up aid for Palestine, committed to arresting Netanyahu if he ever steps foot on British soil, resisted joining the US and Israel with their attacks in Iran, and has recognised Palestine.
He can't do much more than that. Would you like him to invade Israel? I don't think that's realistic.
How is he making things worse?
E: sure, just downvote when you see some inconvenient facts. You clearly hate all of the bullet points I've just outlined, in which case I'm not sure why you ever supported Labour in the first place. They've been a centre-left party for half a century now.
The trains were nationalised by the Tory government in 2020, and they also abolished franchising later that year. They also began to set up Great British Railways in 2021. All that’s happening now is the contracts are being withdrawn as they reach their break points.Steel has not been nationalised. The government has taken over the funding of redundancy payments and retraining for the shut down private sector Tata furnaces in Port Talbot, and has taken steps to force the owners of British Steel to keep the idle furnaces in Scunthorpe burning.There has also been no nationalisation in the energy sector. Great British Energy is set up as a way to subsidise projects created and run by the private sector and other public bodies. It will not generate, distribute or retail energy.
And still has contracts for the Israeli military to train British troops, and still criminalises the expression of support for Palestinian rights. At best, we're seeing some mixed messaging here.
Sure, because there's no difference between Labour under Michael Foot or Corbyn and Labour under Blair or Starmer. /s
FFS, why are you lying? Supporting Palestine is not illegal. The government supports Palestine. Stop the lies.
The only thing that's illegal is supporting a proscribed violent group.
Obviously they're different under every leader. They're still centre left and I just proved it to you. You being too stupid to accept it doesn't change reality. Go look at my list again.
At least he's not a supporter of Putin like Corbyn, and could actually win an election unlike Corbyn.
You'd think he'd at least be a bit more lively, with all that powder up his nose.
Remember the 107th rule of acquisition: Win or lose, there's always Huyperian Beetle Snuff
Boris's policies weren't the worse. He was just absolutely incompetent at actually leading the party/government on a personal level and was prone to slight corruption
Boris's policies were shit.
He had better immigration attitudes than sunak and kier
Huh? How the fuck did you work that one out? He imported 1 million people per year, most of them non-workers who will need government subsidy their entire lives, mostly from areas of extreme religious fundamentalism.
Is that what you want?
And there's a lot more to governance than immigration. This is the man with the "oven ready" Brexit deal, thousands of extra unnecessary covid deaths, rampant corruption, shutting down parliament when they were going to vote against him, etc.
My girlfriend got here thanks to his policies
Sunak and Kier seem like a wash almost.