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The local Portland chapter of the World Naked Bike Ride group posted, "Emergency World Naked Bike Ride coming up in response to the militarization of our city. Plans are being worked on."

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This feels good but I don't know that it's a good idea long-term. This may just antagonize the forces the feds send in even further, when they need to be reminded that we're all just Americans. Don't forget the cult deprogramming tactics:

Build rapport and trust. Rebuild your relationship, if it’s broken. If you were the one to break contact, apologize. Reach out and be warm. Remember the good times. Focus on common values and areas you both enjoy (children, pets, music, dancing, fishing, sports). At first, don’t talk about controversial topics. Avoid “hot topics.” Just try to connect with the other person and have positive interactions. Build credibility and sustain positive interaction. Build a long-term relationship based upon respect, compassion, and love.

Do what you can to remove or minimize media that continually indoctrinates to only one point of view. This may only apply to certain types of cult groups. But it may be in the form of social media, videos, or television. You can even agree to make a pact to go on a media fast together. Don’t make this about “them” or “their problem.” Make this a fun thing to do together as a “break.” Be prepared to honor requests on your end.

Ask thought-provoking questions while being warm and curious. Be prepared to listen deeply. You will know if you have listened well if you can repeat back to them what they said. Be humble and open to hearing what they say.

Keep conversations positive, productive, and civil. Never get angry. Stay resourceful. It is better to end the interaction than to say something counter-productive. It is better to return to the conversation at another time, rather than the person cutting off all communication out of anger or fear.

Adopt a general tone of curiosity and interest in their positions. Pretend you’re an impartial counselor. Really try to get inside their beliefs.

Try to connect them with their authentic identity before these extreme beliefs. Remind them of past experiences together. Talk about the connection you once had and how you miss it.

Don’t “tell” them anything. Help them to make discoveries on their own.

Try to get them to look at reality from many different perspectives. This can include many things.

Teach them about indoctrination and mind control. Use examples for which they have no attachment.

Use examples of cult leaders with similar qualities to their group's leader(s) and have conversations about it.

Share feelings and perceptions, not judgments. Use “I feel” statements. Don’t claim to be “right.” Stick to what your perception is when reflecting back to them.

Ask a question and then wait for them to think and respond. Be patient. You do not need to fill silence.

Caution: an abundance of facts won't necessarily help. Do not overwhelm them with information, especially if it attacks the leader or doctrine.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 points 22 hours ago

Everybody on both sides is getting ready to kill their neighbors, it's fucking terrifying.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago

"My dear, what you are doing is simply idiotic. When you step on the tail of a snake, it will simply bite you. You must cut off its head!" - Woman who lived through Nazi Germany, "The World At War" (1973)

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

My uncle is a Republican, always has been. His views have only become truly toxic since Obama was elected and a propaganda/hate machine that had been slowly building momentum dropped a gear and went over the horizon. So for less than a 5th of his life he has been an asshole on Facebook and voted Republican and you think he and everyone like him, in the entire country, needs to be exterminated?

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

If when somebody goes "Kill nazis!" and your response is "Oh no, not my uncle!"

Then yes.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

I am saying that your hyperbole is including people like my uncle you nonce, and it's dangerous. We need to DeNazify, not exterminate. If you're lucky enough to feel otherwise, congratulations I guess, either your family is "pure" or you're lonely as fuck

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

You know what the standard way of de-nazification is, don't you?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

You're all so desperate for violence

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago

Just ask your uncle who he's okay with removing.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Why? Why not try to avoid violence as much as possible?

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 14 hours ago

Why won't everybody just leave the bully alone! He's only perpetrating violence on a massive scale! Why would you want to defend yourself, your families, your fellow citizens! Lay down and take it! Pwease!?

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

People like you tolerate them to the point where they can do their nazi shit out in the open. You're part of the problem too. "Mah famerly!" fuck off.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"people like you" is Nazi talk brother

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

"No u" isn't as effective as you might imagine. I'm on the side of kill nazis. You can't muddy that water.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 15 hours ago

What is your plan for all of the otherwise non radical citizens that have been so soaked in propaganda that they believe what Fox tells them? Do you have a plan?

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

And reducing my argument to "No U" is infantilizing and really just a poor insult. It adds nothing to simply accuse someone of a logical fallacy and give no context to the accusation.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I am also on the side of "Kill Nazis"

The debate is who qualifies, and you are being very extreme.

Do we exterminate a third of the country?

If that's what you believe, say "We should exterminate a third of the country"

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"I'm totally on your side!" Argues against the extermination of nazis

Maybe I didn't say it loud enough. Fuck. Off.

"sorry but unless you have a wiki and a 40 point plan, no action can be taken!"

"Oh but they just don't understand that their actions are leading to extermination camps and genocides!"

Willful ignorance. And people like you giving them the benefit of the doubt at every turn.

FUCK OFF!

If a third of the country are acting like nazis, then yes a third of them deserve what they get when the hammer of justice falls.

Keep on debating. Super useful. Goddamned apologist.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

WHAT. IS. YOUR. PLAN.

Say your willing to line up 30% of your countrymen to die.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 3 points 14 hours ago

I don't owe you shit apologist.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -2 points 16 hours ago

You don't know fuck all about me, and making assumptions like you are is ugly as fuck.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think a naked bike ride is gonna kill them.

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably do more to stop them than making friends with them would.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/eryn6l/the_you_need_to_shut_the_fuck_up_about_daryl/

Greetings! You have been linked here because at some point, you gave a really shitty take on Daryl Davis by suggesting something along the lines of the idea that pacifism and dialogue are more effective tools in fighting racism than direct action, and using Davis as proof. This thread exists to explain why your take is so shitty.

To be clear, nobody thinks Daryl Davis has bad intents. But he does more harm than good. Let's look at a number of reasons why...

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Ah yes, the guy who single-handedly peacefully ended WW2 by befriending all of the nazis and convincing them to stop their war/genocide.

[–] JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca -1 points 15 hours ago

Why are you discrediting a person that I am very confident has had more of a positive effect than you have? Why are you issuing purity tests?

Also, link us your Wikipedia page