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You sir, are definitely one in a million
Not by a long shot. There's a reason Steam has an entire section of the library page that shows controller compatibility. Not to mention Big Picture mode and all the living room gamers. Keyboard sand mouse on a couch is terrible, no matter what hardware you have or how you try to convince yourself it's not.
I personally use a controller 99% of the time. In both casual and competitive games.
Huge difference between not feeling comfortable at all with using a mouse and preferring to use a controller depending on context
I wish I wasn't if true, but I already put all of my skill points in keyboard and controller, and I don't have enough reasons to work on my mouse skills.
Wait keyboard and controller? At the same time??
Keyboard for fighting games and shmups, and controller for anything else.
Wh-what?
This can't be surprising if you're part of the FGC in any way.
To elaborate for the uninitiated: a keyboard functions similarly to a leverless controller—a popular controller among fighting games players—minus XInput, which is not an issue if you mainly play online and won't have to worry about plugging two controllers in the same PC.
That's not even close to true.
15% of Steam sessions are using a controller on a PC
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/4142827237888316812
Yeah, these days I play everything with a controller - because I'd rather sit on the couch than in a desk chair.
Please explain how people sometimes using controllers on PC means that there exists a considerable amount of PC gamers who are uncomfortable with using a mouse.
Every person who games on a PC has a keyboard and mouse available to them. If 15% of those on average choose to use a controller instead that's a lot of people who are more comfortable using that than keyboard and mouse.
No. It might simply be that people prefer using a controller for specific games, which is a very reasonable explanation if you're familiar with video games. The statistics says nothing about this because it's too general.
So you could say, it's more comfortable for some to play those games with a controller...
Some games literally don't use a mouse. For instance Baba Is You or The Binding Of Isaac or Shank would, at best, use the mouse for menus. You could play them exclusively with a keyboard but 1) you're giving up analog input, and 2) unless you have a gaming keyboard, some of those games will have horrific keyboard ghosting especially if they have any sort of combos like Shank does.
OP specifically wrote:
This is in general and not specific to any game... There exists a myriad of people who are comfortable with using mouse and keyboard while still preferring controllers for some specific games. You should try to better your reading comprehension.
My reading comprehension? Please show me where I said anything that contradicts that.
OP specifically wrote:
You said:
Please explain how people preferring to play some games with a controller is related to people who are uncomfortable with using a mouse at all.
I used to play WoW that way back when all I had was a laptop (2004?). Got surprisingly good at it. Still, I would recommend using a mouse.
TIL WoW can be played with a controller
Maybe, but it certainly couldn't be back then.
Is that not what you just said you did back in 2004? The conversation is about playing games with a controller on PC is it not?
No, I played it on an IBM ThinkPad, which was a laptop that had a nipple in the middle (yes, that is what they called it), which can be used as a mouse. I used the nipple a lot.
Bro I'm 33, I remember the laptop nipples.
There was an era, very early on, when PC first-person shooters were generally played with the keyboard. Wolfenstein 3D. I remember people who specifically wanted to play Doom with the keyboard rather than the mouse.
Doom 1-2 was for the keyboard the same way as Wolf3d.
I'm pretty sure that Wolfenstein 3D had mouse support, unless it was added later, and I'm sure that (original) Doom did.
checks
https://soulsphere.org/apocrypha/keyboard/
It also mentions Wolfenstein 3D:
I don't know if I used the mouse with Wolfenstein 3D when it first came out. But I recall playing the Mac port later with a mouse, and that it didn't feel great there.
Doom could be played with a mouse, but it was made for the keyboard. Because of the only horizontal freedom of turning, the mouse was just uncomfortable.
I suppose it depends on perspective, but I feel like if John Romero says it was made with mouse controls intended as the default, he's probably right, as he would be one of the few people to know what they had in mind when making it.
Are you sure you're not talking about Quake? Because Quake, while perfectly playable with the keyboard only, can get some nice usability nuances from the mouse.
Did you miss the screenshot of JOHN ROMERO, the man himself, saying that Wolf3D and Doom were made for mouse input?
I did. I have no idea what screenshot you're talking about.
Anyway, even if he told something like that, the keyboard-only input was more convenient for Wolf3d and Doom 1-2.
Here's a transcript of the image (typed out):
You didn't see this? https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/f41cda96-f506-431c-804f-708e96b24138.png
https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/f41cda96-f506-431c-804f-708e96b24138.pngIt was in the previous comment, so maybe something weird with your client or something
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Nerds need to grow up and stop this nonsense. Millinials are pushing 40 and you still don't understand that non casuals are the minority. Even on steam you get something like 20% of users in controller.