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Louis C.K
The reason he got cancelled was so stupid and everyone made it seem like he raped countless women. Also, he asked permission to do what he did. If anyone around him at that time didn't like the sound of him doing what he asked permission for, they could've said 'No' and he wouldn't have done it. I just didn't see Louis being that kind of unreasonable guy but that's what they demonized him as. I think it was all a ploy, to trap him to do what he did so they could demonize him that way.
The only reason I don't care of him that much these days is because I'm being introduced to more comics, that I am finding Louis' material very samey. Like always going on about his kids, family life .etc
Oh look, someone who has no concept of power dynamics
Yeah, but I reckon the saudi arabia trip was the final straw.
For that matter of fact, lost respect for all those who went to the saudi event, bill burr included.
Oh shit, I heard so much about Bill Burr, I missed that Louis CK went, too.
Oh well, I liked Louis' comedy better than Bill's, but it's not like I'll really miss either of them.
fucking a. that one hurt, man.
but yeah, fuck him, and Bill Burr, and Jimmy Carr, and ... 😢
I am going to be controversially unpopular by saying that just simply going to saudi arabia to do a show is nothing. There are still people there who live under a tyrannical regime that they can do little about, who is to say that they don't deserve some entertainment? Because it would be blanket generalizing to say that everyone in Saudi Arabia is a-okay with what their government does or whatever the prince does. Granted, you can say 90% of the people there approve of whatever the Saudi Prince does, but there's still that 10% that don't for him.
Besides, these are a bunch of comedians, not politicians. Political matters in regards to human rights should be handled by politicians who right now, aren't doing a stellar job except shit out statistics about how bad it is. What can anyone else do? If anyone else outside of a politician or an official's scope of handling does shit, then that's grounds to start yet another war, which we don't need another of considering everything going on right now.
So, you know, you feel whatever you feel. I hate the WWE for doing business with the Saudis which is different than a few comedians just going there to do an event.
No oppressed peasant in SA went to this show. It was entirely done for the SA elites to sanewash the country's tyranny by inviting other elites to the country to see a comedy show. You see, SA has realized that one of the biggest factors influencing their ability to project soft power is that most of the world wants nothing to do with their no-fun-allowed theocracy. So they do shit like this, and their golf and soccer tournaments, in order to create networking events for their tyrants to bring other oligarchs into the country.
That's true. And I mean it's not like America doesn't have blood on its hand and these comedians make their entire living in America. Even under the better presidents, US has done some vile shit.
I think the difference is that the government directly sponsored the program and paid out millions of dollars for them to do the shows. And personally it was the bill burr hypocrisy. He got millions of dollars to do sane-washing for a billionaire/trillionaire, while he bashes the same thing at home.
He has even admitted himself that he was in a position of power over those women and that makes it considerably harder to say no when the person asking could make or break your career.
But I don't see someone like Louis capable of doing that. If he's about as upfront as he is in his stand-up, I can't see him swinging his influence around like that.
He actually said he wielded power irresponsibly. In actuality, I think he handled it as well as one could in his situation. He at least asked. Though he could've also asked if he could excuse himself or they could excuse themselves so he can have privacy, something. It could've totally flipped over on its head if he just went and did it in a way like "ah fuck these women around me, I wanna jerk off".
There were far more worse offenders that MeToo brought out than him in comparison.
He literally fucking did it.
He didn't need to - the women felt the pressure anyway. We know because they told us.
Low bar there.
Dude, how are you writing comments defending him without even knowing that he was specifically interested in jerking off while the women watched? Like, that's his kink. I am inclined to believe that he genuinely acted out of cluelessness (as opposed to ill will or predatoriness) - but then again, I was a pretty big fan of his.
I found this one difficult. Like they were comparing him to all the other MeToo incidents, like Cosby and Weinstein.
Which is like, there is a serious gradient of crime here. And weighing it all equally like it's black or white is problematic.
My tinfoil hat is all that accusation and black/white style of blame is what led to the manosphere gaining so much power and attention.
There was a period of time when MeToo was at it's height that there was very little nuance in how people reacted to any abusive behavior. Probably related to a dam bursting releasing emotions that had been pent up with these things going unpunished, and mostly ignored, for so long. And you're right, during this time people who should have apologized and shown some sort of behavior that made us believe it was sincere should have been able to return to public life after a period in the wilderness instead of being treated the same (socially, obviously they didn't get the same legal treatment) as Weinstein and Cosby.
I don't think your theory is tinfoil hat territory at all. I think a majority of people could go either way in life, on a wide range of things. Most people don't really give anything a lot of thought, they just fall into patterns dictated by their environment. If someone in their formative years is exposed to something that tickles their sense of unfairness and that leads them into shittier areas of the Internet, a person that could have ended up a nice, normal, boring person can be turned into a piece of shit.