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[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 45 points 2 years ago (6 children)

I still think he's going to pull some stunt. He's incapable of just simply obeying something like this.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 59 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The stunt is going to be after the booking, when he holds a press conference and says stupid shit which would revoke anyone else's bail agreement, but he will continue to get a pass because his followers are a dangerous cult.

[–] bloopernova@programming.dev 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think you're right. As much as it galls me, he'll suffer no consequences because he has millions of armed angry followers. One speech from him might actually start a civil war.

Fuck rupert murdoch and fox news for ratcheting up the rhetoric over the years to keep their viewers scared, angry, and glued to their TVs. And fuck right wing talk radio for doing the same thing.

[–] rastilin@kbin.social 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

He tried to rally his followers before and got like 5 people showing up. That ship has sailed, he's not an unassailable lord and it harms Democracy to pretend he is.

[–] discodoubloon@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago

This time I want to be more certain than that. I’m glad that he seems to be losing followers but he’s still a really dangerous person.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

How can he be the GOP's best candidate and have only 5 followers ?

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I blame Rush for being the true catalyst for all the hatred.

[–] brotazoa@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

There is trouble in the forest And the creatures all have fled As the maples scream, "Oppression!" And the oaks just shake their heads

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know it would be a terrible thing but it would be the most one-sided civil war in the history of ever.

His followers are massively gung ho but they really only care about themselves. Once actual consequences, such as returning fire, make themselves felt I suspect a lot of them will slink off back to Alabama or whatever.

There will be a lot of grumbling and accusations from them, but they won't do anything very much because they don't dare. Having guns won't protect you from the US military if the US military doesn't like you, and they'll soon work that one out.

[–] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

He’s playing this up like he’s the victim.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

After Covid he planned on wearing a Superman logo. He’s definitely thinking of a way to show off. Maybe arrive in prison stripes and claim the prosecutor demanded it?

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Some of the other clowns in the circus might pull a stunt like that, but Trump is the Whiteface, the clown that emphasizes pride and arrogance.

He would never allow himself to do something that he thinks will look bad. Not to say his bungling incompetence doesn't do that for him, it's just that he won't do it as a conscious choice.

Clowns are somewhat interesting.the Whiteface is the know-it-all straight man, and the Auguste is the bumbling doofus who is the butt of every joke. The Auguste is the first to get a pie in the face. You laugh at the Auguste.

The Whiteface on the other hand is the person telling you who to laugh at. They tell the mean jokes to get the audience to laugh at others. This makes it so much more satisfying when the Auguste finally hits the Whiteface with the pie.

Anyway Trump couldn't tell a joke if his life depended on it, but he still fills the role of Whiteface in this circus. He'll pull stunts, but only if he thinks it will make someone else look bad.

[–] discodoubloon@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is a very unique take and I’m here for it.

[–] chaogomu@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

I've spent far too much time thinking about clowns and clown history for someone who doesn't tell jokes. I spent some time researching comedy and how it's changed over the years.

For example, the classic roles of comedy still sort of carry over to modern comedians. For example, Goerge Carlin was a classic example of a Whiteface. His comedy was almost always about telling you who you should be laughing at. He pointed, and you laughed, he never took a pratfall, You never laughed at him.

Robin Williams on the other hand more often took on the role of the Auguste, the Red Nose (Because they're the only clowns that wear the red nose prop). He was loud and boisterous, and took pratfalls. You laughed at his antics, his physical humor, just as much as at what he said.

The Auguste is almost always the butt of the joke when there's a Whiteface, but can be the one playing the jokes when paired with a Rube (A straight man who isn't in on the joke)

There are more classic clown roles that exist, the Tramp is an American clown (but the underlying concept is global) that is always the butt of every joke. Their makeup is usually patterned after the 1930s hobo, they take the sad clown motif to the extreme. The sort of "my life is so shit that it's funny" kind of archetype. Or they can show up in a sort of "the prince and the pauper" situation where they're either slobs in a high society setting, or show refined manners while eating out of a trashcan.

The Tramp is like an extreme form of the Auguste. While the Auguste might get revenge on the Whiteface, the Tramp never will. Also, the Auguste will abuse the Tramp in exactly the same way that he in tern is abused by the WhiteFace.

The Three Stooges come to mind for this dynamic, although none of them were really the Tramp. Larry was firmly an Auguste, and Curly and Shep were closer to the Tramp side of things, but were still Auguste. Moe was a Whiteface.


Anyway, I hope that helps to explain the circus that is the Trump org. They aren't trying to be clowns, but they fit the roles.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

Any attempt to flee and a pair of fully armed F-22s will bring them back. Trump's plane is being tracked.