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"Still not over the American woman who was super surprised to see so many men walking around with strollers and generally looking after their children alone during her travels through the Nordic countries."

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[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 113 points 1 week ago (32 children)

Do American men not look after their kids?

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 121 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Depends where on the political spectrum they are.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 83 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is the real answer. The only men I know who act like it isn’t part of their job to be a dad are also super “Christian” and conservative.

In one instance I know of the wife has a college degree but the husband doesn’t. They are quite impoverished because he works and she doesn’t because “it isn’t a woman’s place to earn more than a man”. I’m not fucking kidding or editorializing.

[–] teslekova@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago

"Yes, my self-image is worth $80,000 a year, why do you ask?"

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'll be honest, I've given real thought to the idea of trying to leverage toxic masculinity to get men to take on more domestic responsibilities.

"What kind of real man needs a woman to cook for him?!"

"Bro, are you telling me that a woman can change a diaper but you can't?!"

"Dude, if you can't braid your daughter's hair and get her to dance lessons on time, are you even a real man?!"

[–] tutter@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Be a man, put on that thong. What, a big strong man like you afraid of frilly fabrics? It's just cotton man, it can't hurt you. Aww big man afraid of a piece of fabric so sad :'("

It's fun, you should do it, I've had many interesting interactions when going that route. Most laugh, a few get visibly confused and upset, and bro that's the greatest part. Its a great litmus test of how comfortable a dude is in their masculinity.

[–] fuzz00713@lemmy.world 78 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The number of fathers that gave me shit for taking care of my kids is rediculous. We had our kids 15 months apart and I would routinely have both of them in a public restroom for changing. The pure vitriol directed at me for doing the womens job was immense beyond measure.
On the flip side, when I would take them to the park to play, I would be acosted by nearly every mother there. There were no fathers, just mothers that would have to comment that it was great to see a father participate. I also got a lot of phone numbers that I got very embarrased about and my wife found hilarious.

TLDR:. Most american fathers do not put in much effort unless its sports related.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My kids dad (I am not bio-mom) told me straight up he only wants adult children. I pointed out to him kids ARE adults now and he has no relationship with them due to that attitude. So many fathers want to phone it in then are shocked when they have no meaningful relationship with their kids.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I always liked Ugly Kid Joe's version of Cats In The Cradle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B32yjbCSVpU

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[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The joke is, a caring dad is more attractive to women.

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[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 57 points 1 week ago (2 children)

America is just like every other highly patriarchal society: No

Some men are wonderful dads and incredibly involved but culturally speaking American men still very much buy into the concept of “woman’s work” and included in that is women raising his kids for him

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago

It doesn't help that men looking after thier own kids is seen as "babysitting" or even worse a predator.

There's plenty of YouTube reviews of men taking thier kids to the park and watching them play while being a parent. Then female parents call the damn cops on the clear dad being a dad.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

so my doofus brother's wife grew up one of those "i refuse to be one of those women who does 'women's work'" and just wants to stay home playing video games. and my doofus brother, well, he's a doofus so neither of them gets their house cleaned. or their food cooked properly. or their clothes cleaned. or any of that shit. it's embarrassing

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 55 points 1 week ago (3 children)

am a dad, been told I'm 'babysitting' my kids a few times.

[–] Delphia@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My wife has warned her friends "Never refer to my husband looking after his kids as "babysitting" unless you want a snarky, probably very rude response."

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

"How about I sit on your baby"

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

My brother gets this a lot when he goes out with his daughters, and I have been told my dad got this a lot when I was a young child.

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[–] DokPsy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Not sure I've ever been directly told that despite being just me with my daughter most days/weekends due to my wife's work schedule. Thinking on it, it's probably that I look way more intimidating than I am

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 36 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not in my experience. Men behave as if their contribution is either working a job to earn money for the family and/or drinking/physical violence.

[–] ButteryMonkey@piefed.social 13 points 1 week ago

Usually both, at least in my region.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago

I can only speak from personal experience. my father

  • never changed my diaper
  • beat or screamed at me more than we ever "played ball" or "had fun"
  • worked me like a dog
  • only gave me approval two weeks before he died
  • said he "loved me" five times in my entire life before he died
  • never once cared for me while I was sick

as a father myself I

  • change diapers when I need to
  • never beat my kids
  • screamed at them only when they were caught doing something incredibly stupid and dangerous
  • let them play and pay them for their work
  • play games or watch them play outside
  • try to support them as best I can with positivity
  • tell them I love them every single day and night
  • have stayed up for days caring for them while they were sick

I'm not looking for a medal, or a thank you. All I'm looking for is a bit of appreciation when they grow up and look back when they become parents.

I want to break the cycle of shitty father figures, that's all.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In addition to broadly prevalent 'traditional' norms promoted and espoused by men in many, many parts of the US, that assert that caring for a child is innately feminine...

Tons of American women also actively promote patriarchy, they'd call these guys gay and not real men, for taking care of their kids, for being stay at home dads.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

Grew up in America. Father never raised me. It was 100% my mom. My only memories of my dad are him working in his office, him losing his shit if you talked to him during the day (even to say "it's lunch time, dad"). Him leading the conversation at dinner, him yelling and screaming at my mom and I, and him punishing me if my grades were more than. 5% away from perfect.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Generally it’s considered suspicious for an adult man to be alone with a child so it’s safer and more convenient for men not to be involved with their children’s lives in any solo capacity. It stems from this idea of everyone-is-pedophile-except-for-pedophiles.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

This is a BS justification imo

Being alone with your own child is not considered suspicious. Hanging out alone with out a child at a playground sure. Having your own kid in your cart at the grocery store? Absolutely not

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Hanging out alone with out a child at a playground sure

Here in Poland playgrounds are often extended with a public outdoor gym or something similar. That solves all problems, making them social centers for both child-free and parents.

E.g.

With fenced playground:

And no fence anywhere

[–] nevetsg@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Same thing in Australia. I love getting a quick workout whilst the kids play. The kids love the gym equipment as well.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait, I haven't seen these outdoor gyms around in Sydney. Granted, I'm not paying close attention to playgrounds, in which cities have you seen them?

[–] nevetsg@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nearly every largish playground in western Sydney has some near by. I have also seen them in nearly every playground I have visited in Brisbane area.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

I'll keep my peepers open

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[–] RaphaelSchmitz@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

But that's really sad, if you think about it.

"Generally in the USA, it's considered suspicious."

That means generally, Americans are unaware of these father-child activities.

That means generally, Americans didn't have a good father.

Now, a lot of people would intuitively jump to "Nah my dad was ok" - but if this isn't normal behaviour for you, then you're just unaware of how bad your whole frame of reference is. That is a tough pill to swallow, though.

[–] Nima@leminal.space 4 points 1 week ago

yes of course they do.

It's getting better, but you have two factors. One a large portion of men with kids were raised by their mothers, so they don't know another way. That is shifting though. The other is that American women tend to be more competitive or something. Part of the capitalist society type competitive. People still see the kids as Moms job, so if the kids aren't dressed right or whatever, it's Mom's fault. Pair that with the extra competitiveness and plenty of ladies don't trust their man tomanage things. And because the Man isn't going to be judged, he doesn't have as high a bar for perfection, which just amplifys things.
Like I get my son dressed in the morning. And my wife will often reject my choices. Now I have no fashion sense at all, so she isn't wrong or anything. If people wouldn't judge her on my choices, she could relax. Another thing is I handle all the medical and school stuff. But they all still call Mom first. I've had to remove her number in some cases. So even a guy who is trying gets undercut. It's all very messed up.

[–] Gonzako@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Paternity leave?

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