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It was the fight for abortion rights that launched Gloria Steinem into feminism.

The idea that women couldn’t reach equality without the ability to decide whether or when to have children was central to the feminist movement of the late 1960s, which Steinem came to embody until her death at age 92 on Wednesday.

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[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

In the U.S., this shift is driven in part by a growing number of women deciding against motherhood. According to Kearney, half of American women now reach age 30 without having at least one child. That's a dramatic increase from two decades ago, when only about a third of American women didn't have a child by that age. Many families are also choosing to have significantly fewer children.

There appear to be other upsides to declining fertility. Along with growing individual freedom and economic empowerment of women, the U.N. study also found a rapid drop in the number of girls and teenagers giving birth.

"The decline of the adolescent birth rates has been, I would say, one of the major success stories in global population health over the past three decades," said Vladimíra Kantorová, the U.N.'s chief population scientist.

But as more women and couples delay parenthood, have fewer babies or don't have children altogether, a growing number of nations around the world — more than 1 in 10 countries — have plunged to levels of childbearing so low that many scientists are worried.

Some progressives — as well as many population experts — also view conservative pronatalist policies, including opposition to reproductive rights and calls for a return to "traditional" family structures, as a threat to women.

"Some of these measures and policies can be deeply harmful, especially those related to sexual and reproductive health and choices and women's empowerment — and that's worrying," said the U.N.'s Kantorová.

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Harvard economist Claudia Goldin has found that declining birth rates often coincide with greater educational and professional opportunities for women. Her research also shows that more than one-quarter of the decline in the fertility rates since 2007 can be attributed to falling teen pregnancies rates in the United States.

At the same time, women are not necessarily choosing to avoid parenthood altogether. Many are simply prioritizing other milestones before having children, including pursuing higher education, building careers, securing financial stability, and purchasing a home. Raising a family is a major financial and personal commitment, and many women are choosing to wait.

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Singapore has spent years expanding financial support for families as it grapples with one of the world's lowest fertility rates. Prime Minister Lawrence Wong recently announced a major expansion of family support measures, emphasizing that the government wants to provide assistance well beyond a child's birth and into the early years of parenting.

Under the Baby Bonus Scheme, parents are given cash gifts throughout the first six-and-a-half years of a child's life. The first and second child get a total of S$11,000, equivalent to about $8,660 USD, disbursed in six-month increments, and every other child gets S$13,000, equivalent to about $10,236 USD.

Despite those efforts, Singapore's birth rate remains among the lowest globally. The cash incentives began in 2001 and haven't been able to reverse the declining trend in birth rates.

South Korea has spent billions of dollars attempting to increase what has frequently been ranked as the world's lowest fertility rate. The government offers an extensive package of benefits that includes monthly allowances for parents, direct birth grants, childcare support, expanded parental leave and housing assistance.

South Korea launched a program in 2022 that gave mothers 2 million won, the equivalent of about $1,500 USD, when they gave birth and then an additional 700,000 won, equivalent to about $500 USD, each month until their child turns one. Then, parents get 350,000 won, equivalent to about $260 USD, per month until they turn 2.

South Korea is still struggling with its birth rate, but the number of babies born in South Korea increased in 2024, the first time in nine years.

Estonia has combined direct payments with broader family support programs aimed at encouraging larger families.

Parents receive childbirth allowances and other child-related benefits, with support increasing for households with multiple children. The country also offers paid parental leave and childcare policies that policymakers say help reduce the cost of raising children.

Estonia's birth rate has been on the decline since 2021. The child allowance started in 1992.

Finland has adopted a combination of cash benefits and family support services to encourage child-rearing. One of the country's most famous family programs is the baby box, which provides new parents with essential supplies for newborns. Families can also receive financial assistance and monthly benefits.

Despite being family-friendly, Finland has one of the lowest birth rates among the Nordic countries.

"So we cannot really any longer say that it's our good family policies that explain good fertility in the Nordics," Anneli Miettinen, a research manager at Kela, told NPR in 2025.

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[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure what your point is. As I stated, there is no govt that fully compensates for the costs of having a child. None of the examples you've given state otherwise.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

There are stats. There isn't an amount of money the government can give to bring birth rates back to where they were before women had more control over their reproductive health and career/educational goals.

Women are choosing to have less children and having children later in life. That's the driving force behind the falling birth rates. Not the only force, but the main one.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah OK, you're just being intentionally obtuse and ignoring my point.

There isn't an amount of money the government can give to bring birth rates back to where they were before women had more control over their reproductive health and career/educational goals.

This is your personal opinion. (Not that we need birth rates back where they were, we just need them at a more sustainable level). It should be obvious that most would-be parents today do not have the financial security they would need to have more kids. This applies even in those countries in your examples, because those benefits are a tiny fraction of the costs of raising a child.

Women are choosing to have less children and having children later in life.

That's not in dispute, but the reason for that choice is in part financial.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I'm not ignoring it, the economy being shit does have an impact.

Birth rates are falling even in countries that have strong social programs and wages. It's a multi-faceted problem, but the driving force is that women have access to abortion, birth control, education, and career opportunities that they've never had before.

More money isn't enough to force women to have more children than they desire. When women are given the choice, they choose to have fewer children and they have them later in life.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I've lived in Norway, one of the countries with the best QoL and support for kids. I have family in Singapore. I can assure you 'strong social programs and wages' are nowhere close to what kids actually cost. Finance is a huge factor.

driving force is that women have access to abortion, birth control, education, and career opportunities that they've never had before.

I'm not even disputing that they're factors. Go back to my original post and you'll note the only thing I asserted was WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH DATA ON WHETHER ACTUALLY REMOVING THE ENTIRE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF KIDS WILL HELP. You're not addressing my point, you're just busy with your own talking point that nobody's disputing.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I posted an article about this topic just recently:

The wealthier Middle Eastern countries had birth rates around six or seven children per woman, but the United Arab Emirates “has a birth rate now that is lower or about the same as baby-scarce Japan,” dipping “to about 1.2,” Goldin said, while the birth rate in Saudi Arabia is 2.3.

“When you look at what these birth rates were for just the previous generation, it’s astronomical change,” she said.

The global shift, she continued, can be traced to one common cause: the increased agency of women, who during the last century became increasingly able to opt out of traditional family roles to pursue other options, such as education and careers.

“Wherever you get increased agency, you get reduction in the birth rate,” said Goldin. “The central cause arises when women have autonomy and have the ability to be educated, to have occupations and careers.”

Here's the full paper called "The Downside of Fertility"

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

You said there are no stats and there are. That's what I responded to - the stats are showing the trend of women's freedoms tied to the falling birth rates. And since women have more options to delay children or not have them at all, the economy will play a factor into them using those options that are available. And despite the economic hardships, women overall are not going to choose to have as many children as they did before gaining those freedoms and medical advancements.

I don't think it's helpful to discuss falling birth rates without acknowledging that access to education, career advancements, and reproductive health options have a huge impact. That's one of the reasons conservatives across the globe are pushing to limit abortion access and take away birth control.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm talking to a stone wall here. You keep pointing to a very different situation and claiming it as data to prove your point when my entire point is that they're very different situations.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

They aren't different, they're related. They are intertwined.

I'm having a discussion with you and bringing stats and sources. You don't want to engage in back and forth discussion? Don't push that there's no data or no statistics on this.

There's a lot of stats on this subject.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'm tapping out. You keep posting your stuff. I'm just rolling my eyes here.

[–] velma@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 hours ago

Aw you're no fun. Did you even read any of the sources I gave you?

I'm not even disagreeing with you completely and I haven't been an asshole lol. There's a prevailing idea here that more money will make women want enough children to solve the falling birth rates and I think that doesn't show the full picture.