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Not voting for either and not advocating such, just wondering if this lib talking point holds up in reality. I know he recognized Jerusalem as the capital, but 
reads as far more committed overall to the zionist project to me.
Yes, but it doesn’t matter. Just because you’re a bad guy doesn’t mean you’re a competent bad guy that gets things done.
What Biden does takes guts, something that Trump lacks.
Let’s pick just one example: making the Europeans pay for NATO defense budget.
What did Trump do? Traveling to Europe to convince the European leaders like he was some Art of the Deal master negotiator, only to be laughed out of the room.
What did Biden do? Starts a war with Ukraine, destroys European-Russian energy trade, destroys Nord Stream pieplines, permanently deindustrializes Europe, forces European countries to send their war equipments to be blown up in Ukraine, and then having to pay America to replace the war equipments.
But that is not all, with Europe committed to a war budget, austerity kicks in to cut social spending, which means mass privatization of European assets for American investors who will be scooping them up cheap thanks to euro depreciation.
Let’s not forget that Biden literally provoked a war with Iran not too long ago to force the Republicans to yield to his $60 billion foreign aid to Ukraine. This is a man who won’t hesitate to start a nuclear war to protect the hegemony of the American imperium at all cost. Genocide means nothing to him.
I used to think that Trump would be worse for leftist organizing in the US, and that fascism would come from Trump. But with the recent campus protest crackdown under Biden, I’m not so sure anymroe.
Trump was the best thing for leftists in the U.S. because it got a bunch of on-the-fence libs to wake up and smell the coffee in a way that never happened in my lifetime, even under Bush.
Now a lot of those libs have gone back to sleep with Biden, but Biden is basically playing the Obama playbook with only a tenth of the charisma and it isn't working. Even my dyed-in-the-wool Democrat mother just recently admitted to me that she doesn't see much of a difference between Biden and Trump politically but she can't stand Trump (which is fair, she doesn't find him as tragically comedic as I do). I told her to vote however she wants, cause it genuinely doesn't matter, but if she wants to signal displeasure she should vote third party.
To the OP's point, Trump would be just as bad, if not worse than Biden on Israel. But that is because those decisions are not made by the president, we don't actually get to vote on policy in this country.
Hot damn, I think ye've nailed this down...
Yes, but we'd also see more resistance by libs. Similar to how deportations went down under Trump.
Probably yes, but you can never be sure with Trump, he really is the wildcard candidate. The Isntraelis have been getting more and more unhinged, and all it takes is them mouthing off at him one time for the friendship to sour. Cause he’s a vain, petty shit and every interaction has to stroke his ego, while Bibi is in a tenuous position and cannot afford to be seen as weak to anyone rn
But then again maybe the Zionist blob can jangle shiny enough keys in front of Trump to smooth things over
Looking at a situation like when Biden "paused" a weapons shipment and israel threw a hissy fit and various ministers started saying things like "Biden ♥️ Hamas", I genuinely wonder if Trumps ego would have been activated causing him to turn on israel, at least a little.
Plus, I could see him absolutely loving seeing something like the crowds in Yemen chanting some shit about him being strong or some other positive adjective. The man is pure ego and loves crowds. But they are brown so he might fucking hate that so idrk
There's two wolves inside Trump. One is an inveterate racist scumbag. The other is up it's own ass with egomania. Both have hypertension.
Yeah. No doubt he would. He moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. He'd be more hawkish than Biden, hell, Netanyahu would probably be friendlier toward Biden and the US currently if the option of Trump wasn't on the table.
So then Hamas will break Trump and the United States too.
I mean the embassy was only a matter of time
The Senate voted 97-3 last week during the budget “vote-a-rama” in favor of an amendment supportive of the location of the embassy.
(The democrats held the Senate at this time)
Agree with other comments, he is a true wildcard. Unlike a lot of other politicians, he's actually not really committed to anything. Joe Brandon is a true Zionist believer and will rubber stamp anything the ruling class tells him to.
Yeah. And not to sound like a lib but he'd probably be even worse. He and his in law would be the first to step in and claim real estate so he'd be pursuing the genocide out of pure greed along with every other motivation.
Would Trump support Israel with the same energy, vigour and commitment as Biden?
No, I don't think so.
Trump is much less committed to anything, other than being seen as a strong winner.
Trump could be considerably worse for Palestine at some point but it's not because of some deeply held commitment.
Yeah of course, there are some things that you cant turn your back on in US politics. Israel is one of them. It doesn't matter who the president is and what they do is roughly the same.
Its all the same and the American project goes no matter what because the president is just a distraction.
With Trump you could hope he would try and do some kind of shakedown scheme with Netanyahu, like he tried with Zelinsky.
Thats all professional wrestling theater
If trump doesnt support Israel he will die
He's like 80 years old im pretty sure he's gonna die anyway
we can only hope
Short of actually sending US troops I find it hard to believe that's even possible.
Theoretically Trump could, in a the sort of way "only Nixon could go to China." Democrats could never do that in part because they have always had this chip on their shoulder about having to prove they're "tough" on foreign policy, going back to the start of the Cold War.
Most likely though, Trump won't be any different from Biden's current inhumane policies. They most likely way I could see Trump changing things would be for the worse.
Idk maybe but either way the important thing is liberals will actually start to oppose it
Yes
Yes, but for owning the libs reasons instead of the absolute ideological commitment that Israel has the god given right to kill as many Arabs as possible that Biden has
Maybe, maybe not. There's no way to know. But I think it's telling that Palestinians are not begging Americans to vote for Biden because "Trump would be worse". This is a talking point wholly invented by Liberals because they don't care one bit whether Trump would be worse for Palestinians, they just care about Biden not losing.
I mean we could compare and contrast various figures in both of their admins and how much sway they have. Kushner vs Blinken and all that. let's start a Hitlerians bracket voting contest
tl;dr - There is no better or worse when discussing American policy on Israel. We will head on the same trajectory regardless. No need to give Trump nor Biden any credit.
Likely worse. His team is fully of anti-China, anti-Iran warhawks. I don't think he'd approve of getting or keeping Americans away from Syria, Iran, Palestine and occupied Palestine, Taiwan, Japan, the Phillipines, etc.
We all know the story. Yes, Democrats and bad. Yes, Republicans are undeniably worse in every way at every level.
His team this time around will also be more competent. Maybe he will pivot to an "America First" agenda... then what? The open NED-type operations will be less noticable, others will be taken up by partners of the EU and other NATO members besides the US. Covert operations and the other dark, buried, illegal shit will boost exponentially.
But look. Biden has his support base, he has his voters secured. So does Trump. They're both Americans and both have already been president for 4 years each. We already know what has been happening and we know what is happening. The US will continue doing what its government and key capitalists already have been planning to do.