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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 151 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Everyone just keeps acting like its normal

That's a common trope in dystopian settings.

The youngest people in the society don't understand that anything is even wrong. The rich folks have a vested interest in people being more afraid of foreigners and domestic terrorists than any government malfeasance. And the working class is so occupied with simple survival that they see no real opportunity to revolt... until something really falls off the rails, at which point the military moves in to suppress dissent with maximum bloodshed.

[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In those dystopia settings however, they never seem to have all the literature describing dystopia. We do here

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago

Eh, it depends on the author. I've seen a lot of modern Post-Apocalypse/Cyberpunk stuff make comedic quasi-self-references by way of media-within-the-media (A piece of modern literature in the Fallout setting describing a "dystopian" world in the self-proclaimed utopian Vaults, for instance).

But the point of the media-within-the-media is often to illustrate how we fixate on the drama of dystopia without acknowledging the banality of social evils.

[–] pantyhosewimp@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Right now, in the mostly-free-press parts of the world, I now think that dystopian scifi no longer serves as a warning of what not to do but instead acts as a numbing agent to increased oppression.

This is going to sound very Maoist or whatever but we need more utopian scifi like Star Trek TNG. We need utopian visions imagined for us so we have something to work towards.

It was so refreshing to watch the Chinese TV show for Three-Body where the world was at peace with each other and trying to solve this bizarre global mystery. Sure, the Chinese government was painted as much more competent than American & European governments but Hollywood does the same thing with the US government too.

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

It's really not. At least no more than it has been in the past

[–] crazyCat@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, there are tons of things to make better and improve on, but things could be a lot freaking worse. (For more people, anyway, for too many people it’s already terrible currently, e.g. Gaza, Ukraine, Sudan, Yemen, Haiti … )

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The same people that quote that these are the least violent and most progressive times we live in will turn right around and say we're in an ever increasing dystopian hellhole despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary.

They will continue to bemoan mainstream media and social media pushing propaganda on them they continue to link on THEIR better social media.

You'll then be yelled at for Green washing and unironically saying that progressives are in the democratic party for a reason despite saying all politicians are the same from their useful idiot basements while pretending to be a Bernie Bro despite him endorsing Hilary, and Biden lol.

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[–] Sharkictus@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (10 children)

It's always been terrible, this the best we've had, and it's still still terrible.

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[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think this vision usually comes to be when people aren't aware of how much worse other people have it, or how much worse was in the past.

Sure nowdays there are a lot of terrible things happening, but we have the best tools ever to fix them.

The world needs a bit more of optimism, the only way we can start fixing our problems is acting like we can.

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Yes, this system absolute madness only equaled by the madness of the mass tolerance of it.

And NOT the fun weekend bender kind of madness I haven't had time for in years due to capitalist exploitation.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Potential convicted felon president with many active indictments looking to give himself blanket immunity for all crime and appointing himself dictator president for life. All while every year is the hottest year on record, there isn't enough housing, actually nazis feel safe to actively demonstrate in public, a million less Americans are alive post COVID and all of the world's wealth is split between 7 people and all the world's companies owned by 4 parent companies...

What the fuck are you talking about dystopian?

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[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I’ve read history. I know what actual dystopian nightmares look like. We’re not in one.

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 67 points 1 year ago (4 children)

"Things can always get worse" is a pretty shit justification to say things aren't bad now.

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[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

History does not only repeat, and simply looking at the past can make you blind to the novel ways society has transformed. For example, oppression has been a constant throughout history, but it never has been as faceless as it is today. Lords and kings have been replaced by corporations and agencies operating across borders, in ways and with purposes that I don't think anyone who's not actually involved with can claim they fully understand.

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[–] fantasty@programming.dev 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Someone in Gaza would disagree right now.

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[–] Censored@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

No. I'm familiar with history. It is normal.

[–] fonji@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

And so we go, on with our lives
We know the truth but prefer lies
Lies are simple, simple is bliss
Why go against tradition when we can
Admit defeat, live in decline
Be the victim of our own design
The status quo, built on suspect
Why would anyone stick out their neck?

Fellow members
Club "We've got ours"
I'd like to introduce you to our host
He's got his and I've got mine
Meet the decline

NOFX - The Decline

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[–] chester22@api.clubsall.com 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

What’s the other option?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We just need to have some bell riots and WW3 and then bam star trek

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[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Are you telling me you can't even imagine a better world?

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 10 points 1 year ago

I think that they mean you still have to eat and sleep and try to have joy in your life.

[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Not a dystopian nightmare?

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[–] PsyDoctah9Jah@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People are not acting, they are desensitized... we all are in some capacity, the difference being the few who can recognise this😅

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[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 12 points 1 year ago

That's because a lot of people are profiting from things being the way they are. And the rest of them are too scared and traumatized to risk saying anything.

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally gives me anxiety to the point I need meds

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's how it always happens, unfortunately. "Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me."

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

do we tough?

maybe get off the internet and enjoy your life a bit.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes we do live in a dystopian nightmare. It's just that most people posting here, including myself, live a fucking privileged life, where we don't have to share the same worries that about 80% of the world population have, including a large part of even the US population nowadays.

We (the privileged people) are the baddies from all those dystopian stories.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (43 children)

What other dimension can we go to?

We live here

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[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

What's the alternatives? Depression & Suicide? Rise up in revolution out of general malaise? Or just post memes and hope something happens to change the status quo? Covid showed us that another world was at least possible, but it also brought on a lot of the ridiculous greed we're seeing now too.

[–] PeteBauxigeg@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

First world graffiti-mask-profile-picture cringe.

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