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Update: The parties of the left coalition have publicly reaffirmed their commitment to the coalition, sending a message to Macron that they will not govern under the liberals

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I hate to be a downer but... It is good and valuable that the fash didn't do as well as all the talking heads on TV predicted/hoped. It is also good that the centre-left coalition is the largest block, ahead of the various reactionary ones.

But... but... We are celebrating that the "left", and by left we include succdems and libs, got roughly a third of the seats in parliament. That the left, by the widest possible definition of the term, is a minority.

I don't know French politics but I know centrist liberals. They might be mad about the fash eating their lunch but ultimately they are going to follow the class interest they represent and side with the fash against the left, especially if the fash offers to support a liberal government in return for crackdowns on those deemed inferior.

Sweden used to be the prime example of "good liberals" with the succdems and the "respectable" right agreeing to keep the fascist SD party away from all influence. But in the end the temptation grew too big and now Sweden is ruled by a right-wing regime supported by the fash.

I will be surprised if the "respectable" French centre-right doesn't end up doing something similar in the end.

[–] 666PeaceKeepaGirl@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think RN/Ensemble coalition is unworkable, at least right now. Macron's brand is staked too much in being the safeguard against the fascists, and I don't see RN having any reason to hitch themselves to what has been a very unpopular administration. At the very least, these results mean that if either Macron or RN wants a functional right-wing government, the political costs are going to be severe.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

but allying with centrist party tanks the ideological party, so the danger is in npf working with ensemble, and tanking its support by doing grown-up realistic compromises

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago

Yeah if they're left like Mette Frederiksen is left... Gonna be a tough road ahead

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 48 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] Vampire@hexbear.net 72 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We need to praise the greatness of comrades in all nations.

Think of the great contributions to our immortal movement made by British and French socialists.

[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

america sucks shit

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

PLEASE I WANT TO BELIEVE ooooooooooooooh

[–] Poison_Ivy@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago
[–] MarieFontenot@hexbear.net 42 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Always knew French people were based! Don't check my posting history.

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago

@frogwordcountbot

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

The Internet Communist Community has Forgiven France

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I was happy about this, then I saw that they want to keep sending weapons to Ukraine and back a two-state solution in Palestine. Still better than the demokkkrats but that’s a low bar. The French left still hasn’t learned how they lost everything after 1945 because of their appalling foreign policy, especially with regard to Algeria and Vietnam.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 46 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Melenchon just announced that France will recognize Palestine asap which is better than nothing

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Can't expect more from sucdems I guess, the most important thing is fascism is halted for now at least.

[–] thedarkfly@feddit.nl 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I wouldn't call Mélenchon and LFI socdem, but let's see how much his party is included in the government.

[–] space_comrade@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

We'll see I suppose, historically in Europe demsoc parties were only distinguishable from succdem parties by a bit harsher rhetoric, anywhere they've tasted power they haven't really gone beyond moderate socdem reforms as far as I know.

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago
[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The NPF isn't so much "the french left" as it is the french left (pc and lfi) with eurocuck greens and center left neoliberals (second largest member), it doesn't shock me that stuff like nato and ukraine aren't even on the table as discussable topics

[–] duderium@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I thought I saw that the PCF was part of their coalition…?

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 8 points 2 years ago

it is, I forgot the f and just said pc, but it's the 4th largest party and it will only get 10-12 MPs, doesn't have much weight as shown by that program

[–] M68040@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

HOPE MANIFESTED

[–] shipwreck@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have said this before and I will say this again: Macron will use the legislature deadlock to consolidate the power of executive branch for himself. The end result is the concentration of power towards the President, and away from the Prime Minister.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

a republic created by an army general behaves like an authoritarian democracy.

More news at 11

[–] peppersky@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Wake me up if they actually start implementing non-neoliberal policies

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

François Hollande, former head of the Socialist Party, is the controversial figure who started the Pension reform because French populace needs to live austere in difficult time.

This party is one of the main members of this left coalition

[–] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I imagine these polls are framed along the lines of the US ones where they ask shit like "on a scale of 1 to 5, how liberal are you?"

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Very liberal (pcf)

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 21 points 2 years ago
[–] kristina@hexbear.net 19 points 2 years ago

Commune of France when???

[–] hellyesbrother@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

How 'left' are the NPF? Soc dem?

[–] Taster_Of_Treats@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Its a grouping of 5 smaller leftish parties, so pretty ideologically diverse. It only came together like two months ago per CNN, ad hoc when Macron called for the general election.

Their main unifying factor is not wanting the far right in control.

[–] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Whatever disagreements I might have with them, full respect for moving so quick on this.

[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago

Center left neoliberals (your modern socdems) are the second largest party in the coalition, the first are left populists based around the celebrity character of Melenchon, the 3rd are green eurocucks and 4th are the old school communists, then there's a sputtering of center to left parties

[–] Satanic_Mills@hexbear.net 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So what stops the Macronites & the far right forming a coalition?

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 16 points 2 years ago

This is not American “liberals” who would govern alongside the far right and call it healthy bipartisanship, a coalition of the French liberals and far right would be a dual political suicide

[–] LeZero@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

The campaign promise of being a rampart candidate against the far right (so nothing)

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

Real Gallic Patriots are in charge

Trust in the plan

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

BEND LE KNEE

[–] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 years ago

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[–] pooh@hexbear.net 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

A couple of thoughts:

  1. I seem to recall the French electoral left being plagued by infighting and factionalism. They really came together this election and turned it around.
  2. Electoralism is ultimately a dead end, of course, but I feel like the French left leans more into direct action than their more timid counterparts in places like the US. Seems like this gives them an edge that other western left movements don't have.

I'm not French so maybe I'm way off on this. Please correct me if so.