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I don’t like waiting in my car, but I fucking hate packed restaurants/cafes where I have to scoot my chair in extra tight so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me every time they squeeze behind me.
I choose option 3: make my coffee/tea at home because I’m poor asf.
so people don’t keep having to rub their junk on me
I agree with GiantFloppyCock.
I'm on option 3 because no coffee/tea is worth the wasted time and resources of leaving my house early (even if I had to commute) to wait in line for it. This is just terminally stupid to me and I am unable to understand why anyone does it as part of their daily routine.
The car ofc 😂. Air conditioned, my own music, private space, no waiting for a table, no listening to other conversations. But this is a stupid comparison altogether. I wouldn't go to the drive thru for a social coffee and I wouldn't go to the cafe for a quick coffee.
I don't think the problem with cars is that they aren't comfortable. Unfortunately they are too comfortable. You get to sit in an air conditioned box with leather seats, no external noise while listening to an audiobook. Then your coffee just shows up.
lol I always think that when cars don’t want to stop for me walking. Like bro chill you’re sitting in a literal recliner rn
The people lining up, instead of parking and taking 5 mins to go inside, are terminally stupid. I encountered this the other day, and I was out the door with my coffee before the line had even moved.
Wasn't that a covid thing?
With that being said, there is no way i would've waited there when i saw 3 or more cars.
Are you by any chance telling them to walk on their legs?
My car is probably more comfortable tbh. Especially if weather is bad.
The silver lining is I can nip inside to the almost empty coffee shop and leave with my order before two cars have been served. No idea why these people would rather sit in their car for twenty minutes than walk for twenty seconds.
I wish this was true, I've tried it multiple times at Starbucks and it doesn't work.
I think the majority of the staff is working on mobile/drive thru orders vs the orders that come in at the counter.
Regardless, going inside has taken me longer then joining that stupid line.
No idea. I served in drive throughs and I can tell you waiting time is shorter inside the store
If I am to answer honestly, the car. But only because it's like a little fortress of solitude and separates me from the public where I would otherwise be an anxious mess. But to be fair, you did only ask what looks more comfortable. I still don't want cars to be the main mode of transportation.
First, I agree with everything you typed. BUT
Second, "a little fortress of solitude and separates me from the public" is kinda the problem we have that leads to the top part of the picture. We in the West in general and the United States in particular have lost our sense of community. My car by myself listening to what I want in solitude is AWESOME, but stopping to sit and be part of a community is probably better for me.
In CA, my rent is close to $2k a month, but I can walk to basically everything I need to. In MI, my rent is $650 a month, but the closest coffee shop is miles away.
Honestly traffic laws should still be enforced for those situations. Cars can't just sit in the lane or intersection, so either pull into the parking lot or drive on
It always baffled me as accpetable that their poor servicing methods/infrastructure (drive thru) was allowed to leak on to publicly funded infrastructure and impact its usability without any reprecussions to the business or its patrons.
All you car haters, I'd like to see you sitting outside, having a coffee, in Arizona during the summer where it is 56°C during most hours on a daily basis.
You could still do the bottom picture inside.
Well, Arizona is not meant to be lived in. As well as Mars, for example.
I don't believe that anyone from Arizona would use Celsius.
It's the only way it'll ever be 2 numbers again
Those coffee shops have inside space too.
On a personal level, I'd realistically pass on both of these places. But the nice thing with the bottom option? 9/10 times there's another place with what I'd want within a reasonable walking distance, along with other options. Even in a small European village I've observed several places to eat within walking distance of each other.
My absolute disdain for traffic overpowers my disdain for crowds by far.
When the drive-thru is that backed up it's often faster to just park in the lot and order inside.
that photo was almost definitely taken during covid, when going inside was not an option
It's been over 100° for over 40 days straight.
Fuck, yeah I'll take the air-conditioned recliner with a sound system that plays exactly what I want and doesn't require me to walk 4 blocks to get a cup of coffee.
Coffee shops also often have air-conditioned environments indoors.
One large benefit of classic coffee shop style design is building community. Presumably you go to your local coffee shop (this obviously doesn't exist in suburbia) and meet other local people there. It provides opportunity to just get to meet other people, which helps people feel more connected and less scared of each other, and also let's them rely on each other when needed. It also creates a space people can use for organization efforts. You can advertise for local mutual aid groups or political organizations or whatever else to people with likely similar interests.
Car culture (particularly in America) has destroyed most people's sense of community. You live in your space, drive wherevever you need to go in your private bubble, and never interact with people living near you. It's not good.
The top one looks like an amogus
The cars. I’m also not a fan of crowds so there is that. Still, fuck all these cars. I can walk in and get my coffee to go.