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[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 83 points 10 months ago (3 children)

c/dataishorrifyinganddepressing

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

Seriously! I had no idea so few people voted.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If it makes you feel any better, the trend looks like more people are voting as time goes on.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As crazy as it is, Donald Trump appears to have been the single largest motivator to vote in American history. Either him or Covid.

He has definitely motivated me to vote twice, and for the rest of my life I won’t miss an election. Seriously. I had voted before, but I’d sit it out if I was too busy or I didn’t particularly like either candidate.

I have happily voted for Mr. or Ms. Not Trump twice. Now I also have to vote for Mr or Ms Not Influenced by Trump every chance I get too.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

George Floyd too. 2020 definitely felt like the boiling point for a lot of things that centered around Trump in a 100% divisive way.

I did a protest vote in 2016 (my state has zero impact), but from now on I want to make sure the numbers show accurately who got the most votes.

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[–] fermionsnotbosons@lemmy.ml 45 points 10 months ago

I would also like to see a similar graph for mid-term elections. Do the winners even get 10% of the eligible votes?

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 10 months ago (4 children)

The percentages for 2016 only add up to 97, and the 40% bar is longer than the 41% of 2012.

[–] Klaymore@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe 3% voted for a third party, and because they aren't shown the other bars were expanded to fill the entire space

[–] rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They could've done a little green sliver like they did for 1980.

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[–] FurtiveFugitive@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Just like the sub on reddit, the data in DataIsBeautiful apparently doesn't actually have to be beautiful.

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[–] Vlixz@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Maybe a really dumb question and I'm not from the US but why did Hilary lose in 2016 when she had more votes than Donald Trump? That doesn't really make any sense to me

[–] Michal@programming.dev 11 points 10 months ago

Because in the US democracy every vote is equal, but some are more equal than others.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

We were supposed to be a representative democracy with one rep for every 33,000 Americans. When voting for president each state gets one vote per rep and one for each of their two senators.

A while back some assholes decided that 33,000 is too representative and we should have a fixed number instead. So now it turns out that Wyoming should get one rep for every 58,000 Americans so their votes are worth far more than a Californian's.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

People don’t vote, states vote. Semi proportionally to number of people, but it isn’t linear. This means that California gets 50 some odd votes and they all go to the democrats most of the time but Wyoming gets 3 (the minimum) despite it being smaller than many cities in population and they all go to the republicans basically every time. That’s why swing states are a thing that exists and matters. Back in the 00s Florida and Ohio were in the sweet spot of big and could go either way (insert joke about my girlfriend) but now they’re both considered firmly Republican states, meanwhile Wisconsin lost its Republican status and now swings as did Arizona. When people talk about texas possibly becoming a swing state as a big deal this is why, it doesn’t matter who gets the popular vote, texas is so big and serves as a counterweight to California and New York for the republicans that if the democrats win Texas without the republicans picking up several states that they never get, all of the swing states, or one of the two big hitters of the Dems then there’s basically no chance for them to win.

[–] MacStache@programming.dev 30 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I've never understood why there is a voting system where the one with most votes can lose.

[–] meeeeetch@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They usually justify it by saying it's to prevent the tyranny of the majority (two wolves and a sheep biting on dinner).

But a case could be made that it's a way to keep the elite entrenched.

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[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The founders were a gentleman's club. Which is basically a fraternity. They made up rules that made sense to a bunch of frat boy farmers with enlightenment libraries.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn’t call them farmers. Partly because a variety of wealthy professions were represented and mostly because the ones who called themselves farmers didn’t do any farming, they forced enslaved people to farm for them.

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[–] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago

It was a compromise so the smaller states were willing to join the United States. Same reason there are two senators for each state.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Also worth noting: Republicans have only once won the popular vote since the turn of this century, in 2004 for George W. Bush's reelection, when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

or put another way, the democratic candidate have won the popular vote on 5/6 presidential elections this century

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

when he had both the incumbent advantage and was still riding the post-9/11 patriotism wave

And slandering John Kerry, actual veteran and protestor, with "swiftboating" horseshit.

W's media goons were some of the slimiest motherfuckers ever to darken Washington's marble halls.

[–] AdNecrias@lemmy.pt 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's funny because here being incumbent usually is a disadvantage because you get blamed by all the crap that's happening, even the little that isn't their fault.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago

The median voter is woefully uninformed and largely votes on vibes and name recognition. Many fail to understand exactly what kind of power the president actually holds.

Personally I blame this in part on the death of journalism. Local newspapers keep going out of business which removes any accountability for local authorities, and the only way you know of anything happening is based on Facebook gossip dripping in all of the biases the individuals who are there when something happens. And the local news that still exists keeps getting bought up by larger entities that may or may not be politically motivated to try to sway opinions and set the conversation across the country. Or worse in some cases independent news outlets are simply threatened into not investigating or reporting on certain topics

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[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Only a 7% increase after that nightmare.

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 16 points 10 months ago

7% is enough to swing any election in history (the part of it that is shown on the chart)

[–] stalfoss@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I think even more horrifying is that more people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That orange party sure does win a lot of elections.

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[–] ownsauce@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Should split this out by electoral college votes/states where the 'did not vote' could actually have made a difference. This is great info but also a bit misleading cause votes in swing states have more of an effect than increasing votes in deeply blue or deeply red states. The US president is not selected by a national popular vote. See on the chart how W Bush won the election but Gore had the popular vote, due to how the electoral college works.

Not discounting that more people should vote. I wish there were a national holiday in the US for everyone to get out and vote. But some votes matter more than others, depending on where you live, and this chart misses that nuance.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

There is a map like that out there, if I remember correctly like 40+ states had “did not vote” win…

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[–] glizzard@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

This makes me kinda ill. Like I almost cried a bit looking over these numbers. And I’ve seen some shit.

[–] JCreazy@midwest.social 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There should be a tax incentive for voting or something

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 31 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Step 1: make voting compulsory

Step 2: move it to a weekend

Step 3: easy access to prepoll or postal voting for people who can't make it on the official day

Bonus step: change voting system to IRV, or even better, to something proportional like MMP or STV

There you go. America has a functioning electoral system.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Or do it the other way around, the amount of money that the government can spend is limited by voter turnout.

Clearly if you can't get people excited enough to vote for your policies, you don't have a mandate.

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[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Quick reminder: In Switzerland, we have the ability to vote on everything. We get educated like that from the early childhood on, that voting is important and necessary. Even with that concept, the average voter participation is between 40-50%. So even if you might think a lot of people are not voting - yes, true, but you will never be able to increase it much above 50% IMHO.

[–] Focal@pawb.social 21 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In norway, the lowest voter turnout we've ever had is 75.4%

[–] earmuff@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Fuck me, that’s awesome. Then Switzerland and the US are clearly doing something wrong. What is the average voter participation in Norway and how often can people vote?

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[–] khannie@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Australia has mandatory voting which is an interesting one. Quick search tells me the last turnout was nearly 90%.

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[–] SGforce@lemmy.ca 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

How many are illegible due to prior convictions?

[–] usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

The chart says it's only looking at eligible voters

But looking it up shows around 4.6 million were disenfranchised in 2022 because of convictions. In semi-good news, it's gone down recently in part because more states are starting to allow people to vote after they've served time. So if people keep pushing in other states, it can hopefully keep going that way

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (4 children)

There should be a No Vote tax, make it just $1–10 or something small. If you vote, you don’t pay it. Use the money to help pay for administering the elections (wouldn’t cover everything, but it’d help).

[–] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 13 points 10 months ago

Should we fix the system so that people both want to and can vote for candidates they want?

No, that wouldn't be American. Make something punitive that can be disproportionately leveraged against the poor and marginalized community neighborhoods.

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 11 points 10 months ago

That sounds like unnecessarily punishing low income people, in my opinion it would be better to give the 10$ to those who vote.

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