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While Ms. Stein condemns both “zombie political parties” as tools of Wall Street and war profiteers, her campaign has focused largely on hammering Ms. Harris, blaming the White House she serves for relentless violence in Gaza and Lebanon.

And Democrats, as never before, are focused on Ms. Stein.

The party has prepared a negative ad blitz for the election’s final weeks, its first-such effort ever directed at a third-party candidate. Fearful that Ms. Stein might divert critical votes in places like Michigan, Democrats are also pressing their case on billboards plastered recently across swing states:

“Jill Stein Helped Trump Once. Don’t Let Her Do It Again.”

She dismisses the “spoiler mythology” that has come to define her mainstream identity, noting — accurately enough — that some of her supporters would never back Ms. Harris anyway.

She says that Democrats would do well to look inward, disputing that she bears any responsibility for Mr. Trump’s fortunes, then or now.

“Those conversations never go anywhere,” Ms. Stein, 74, said in a wide-ranging interview.

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[–] Volkditty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No one ever asked her to start, either.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Maybe not start but I'm sure there're groups that have encouraged her to keep running over the years. Eyes picture of her at dinner with Putin, other Russians and Flynn who Trump pardoned. Though I'm sure there're good reasons for her to be in that picture that aren't shady...I expect a lottery win about the time they make sense.

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[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Don't you understand? You have to vote against Trump because he's a threat to democracy. This is proven by Dick Cheney and W becoming democrats. Now you may say "didn't I have to vote against W and Cheney because they were a threat to democracy for a decade?" To which I say, why do you hate our freedoms?

[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The way you phrased that made it sound like political rhetoric and fears about the end of democracy are at least partially self serving to further the interests of one political party, and that the truth of their claims may be exaggerated. Now that we know you hate America, and are a dangerous threat to democracy if not outright treasonous, fascist, communist, and a bot also, who is paying you? Thanks in advance for responding.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Of course, boy do i feel silly...

[–] basmati@lemmus.org 1 points 1 year ago

10/10 satire. Really felt like I was on reddit in 2016 when Dems and Republicans became one indistinguishable mass.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

You’re either with us or you’re with the terrorists

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There was a failed coup.

Even the assholes who brought us here are going 'oh shit, this is bad, actually,' and your dumb ass wants to pretend that means it's all fine and good. Like if they walked over a bridge you'd jump off.

[–] bad_news@lemmy.billiam.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There was a SUCCESSFUL bloodless coup in 2000, when a bunch of Supreme Court justices appointed by his dad anointed W! Go back in time and browbeat Al Gore about meekly accepting "defeat" despite winning the vote. You'll have better luck with that than browbeating individual voters who refuse to support a GENOCIDE, you morally bankrupt sociopathic idiot, who thinks Kamala with a Republican House and Senate isn't going to be just as bad if not worse than Trump. When SHE wants to deport 11 million migrants, MSNBC will say NOTHING like when Obama murdered citizens with drone strikes. HW Bush couldn't end welfare because he wasn't trusted on the issue. Bill Clinton did. Your shitty right wing dems will realize GOP policy they could never legislate without the aid of the DNC right. You are defending a sacred cow that died 50 years ago in support of the greatest monsters of our age because you find Orange Man gauche. You are a fool.

If first past the post was banned, this wouldn't be a problem

but it isn't so fuck her.

[–] daltotron@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I dunno about this shit I'm probably just voting PSL.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (23 children)
[–] FancyManacles@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (17 children)

To draw votes away from the Democratic party nominee at the behest of her Russian donors. NBC News Link about the infamous dinner.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I know, but what is she getting out of it?

[–] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Attention. Whether or not you agree with her, getting paid to cruise around the country telling people what your political views are is a pretty sweet gig

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

cruise

It sounds soul-crushingly exhausting

[–] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Money and a chance for power, obviously.

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[–] Xaphanos@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My take:

To demonstrate that there is a more leftist population in the US public than is regularly recognized and shift the entire discussion in that direction.

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

To oppose the highly organized far right.


No, I won't vote for her this year. But I can appreciate the above goals.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

To create a strong alternative to the major pro-corporate parties that is more in line with the rest of the liberal parties around the world.

This is not how you do this. You don't disappear and pop up for a few months every four years. That is not how a legitimate political party operates.

She clearly does not give a shit about making the Green Party a legitimate alternative.

[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

FYI the green party is now openly admitting that their goal is to prevent Kamala Harris from winning the presidency.

The election has already started. Absentee ballots have been sent. We need to catch up rapidly. We need everyone here to get active. We need to be clear about what our goals are. We are not in a position to win the White House, but we do have a real opportunity to win something historic, we could deny Kamala Harris the state of Michigan. And the polls show that most likely Harris cannot win the election without Michigan.

https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/10/harris-vs-trump-spoiler-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud.html

GREEN = Getting Republicans Elected Every November

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

To beat the duopoly

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[–] donescobar@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I’m tired of hearing about Shit Stein every 4 years

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