communist

If it was a worker-owned co-op they'd be the same... but it never is.

Interesting.

It’s because you continue to argue with users even after they’ve asked you to stop. You’ve had multiple reports, and you’ve also made multiple reports of your own.

Give me even one example of this, i did it to you because you falsely accused me of something, which of course, i have the right to explain myself.

If you’re reporting the person you’re arguing with, and they’re also reporting you, then it’s not very productive, is it?

Yeah, I did report you before I realized you were a moderator, because you were arguing in terrible faith.

So to satisfy your urge to argue, I engaged with you until you said nonsense about what Marx said, and I countered with a direct quote from him.

You countered me with a direct quote that had nothing to do with what I said... that did not in fact contradict anything I said. I said marx did not give a specific implementation of communism, the quote you gave INCLUDES A STATE, and is thus, obviously not an implementation of communism. He never claims to give an implementation of communism, he's just giving a description of a country that might someday become communist, not one that is currently. It's well-known in circles of marxist scholars that marx never gave a specific implementation of communism.

But despite that, you ignored it and changed your phrasing, and made a thread to brigade, as you often do.

I did not ignore it, I explained precisely why it was incorrect, and i'm obviously right about this, it's very straightforward logic

at the end of history there will be no state, communism is the end of history, therefore that is not an implementation of communism because it has a state doing things.

You also messaged me 15 different times to continue arguing, often within the same 24 hours of your ban. What do you expect me to do when you ignore your ban, just to argue directly?

Yes, because you falsely accused me of lying and I wanted to clarify that I did not in fact lie, and that anybody could easily see that you are arguing in bad faith. I wanted you to unban me because my ban was not justified.

What do you expect me to do when you report every user you’re arguing with?

I have only ever reported you.

What do you expect me to do when you don’t know what no means?

Retract your false accusations, man up to the fact that you were wrong.

As I said multiple times, you’re not looking to argue but instead to harass, which you are right now doing by making this thread.

Nope, this thread is looking for justice to you harrassing ME. I gave a friendly informational post about communism, you harrassed me for it, anybody can see that. That's why you're universally getting a PTB.

You are a sealion. You were banned for harassing multiple users.

That's false, I was banned for this interaction with you, point to the other users i harassed. Give even one example.

And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud.

You got reported because your arguments were so bad that I genuinely believed you were trolling me, only for me to be incredibly shocked that you are a moderator.

And the fact you report them when they argue back shows that you don’t actually care to engage, but just to sling mud. – Again, you’re unbanned with no comments removed

I have engaged with EVERY SINGLE claim that has been made in a civil and calm manner. Find even one example of a point i have ignored or not addressed, i challenge you.

I think sealioning is a nonsense excuse you're peddling because you want your arguments to just go your way by force. You didn't even go "don't these points contradict?" and give me the opportunity to explain myself, you just instantly banned me. I think that's a very convenient excuse for you. A sealion wouldn't reply to all of your points openly, and directly, they would avoid your points and bring up random unrelated nonsense. I did not ignore anything you said, and you falsely accused me of things and harrassed me, that's why you're here, for being a PTB. And this is easily and demonstrably NOT your first time here.

edit: you massively edited your comment so i'm going to just address this:

You may request an unban at any time, which you never did

that's literally the first request I made to which you said

When I requested I didn't realize it wasn't permanent.

i'm curious why you'd say that if i never requested an unban, but sure.

and yeah I get dm's can be easily faked but honestly just think about it what are the odds that I didn't request an unban...

MOG is the only active community that stands against them, and I’ve seen every method they use, which you are using. From the community’s perspective, you are one of these tankies, and as moderator, I have to put the community first before a single user.

I have not done anything that anybody dealing with a PTB wouldn't do.

I have not made a single pro-authoritarian post in my entire accounts history, feel free to look, i'm not a tankie, regardless of any biases you and your users hold. Also, if you and your users hold the view that i'm a tankie and can't even point to one instance of me being authoritarian, that's pretty embarrassing. An entire community of tankie haters that can't even identify one?

That would make sense if he hadn't explicitly stated being a communist is not against the rules.

he clearly is open to the possibility of non authoritarian communism and just believes the definition can't exclude it for some reason.

The craziest part for me is that i was just explaining what communists believe, i didn't even endorse them, and he decided it was an argument that needed to be crushed, and I don't think anybody who knows anything about communist philosophy would disagree with any of the things I said. He doesn't have an axe to grind against communism, just his imaginary, completely undefined and arbitrary version of it that is comprised of whatever he doesn't like.

sorry that was actually a bad link it only shows one chain

https://lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz/post/54271789/18658190

I don't think there's any chance apologia was the basis of the decision, he explicitly stated it was because of the lie he pointed out meaning I was arguing in bad faith, when I pointed out that he misinterpreted it and explained what I meant he banned me again for replying to his false allegations.

I don't think there's room for interpretation, he just didn't like losing an argument and wanted to silence me. He did check me for apologia sentiment and I did as he wanted, when he couldn't ban me for apologia he decided my arguments were in bad faith and gave me a terrible reason, I think in creating this framework to make an "objective" statement you have given him far far too much credit.

the only thing I want is the acknowledgement that I did not in fact technically break the rules. I don't think there's even a way to interpret what I said as apologia honestly. Even if there was, that would at best account for one of the two bans.

He explicitly stated that being a communist is not against the rules, and I at no point endorsed or recommended even one authoritarian thing, even going so far as to clarify that I am not a marxist communist and disavowing tankiesm in clear words.

i do not think there is any argument to be made that there was any apologia at all. If I was to explain the beliefs of nazis that would not be apologia.

furthermore he didn't ban me for apologia, he banned me for "lying"

I have not committed any apologia, I just explained what communists believe, I at no point endorsed tankiesm

I... just explained that I was not in fact called on a falsehood, you just misunderstood my writing.

I even explained how it was obviously true, you're just ignoring it. How could that be an implementation of communism if it includes a state??

I understand now why your co-moderator is unwilling to moderate with you and just gave me sympathy, you can't argue, or possibly, can only argue in bad faith.

Anybody else reading this will come to the conclusion that you're being intentionally obtuse.

That is not a change, you misinterpreted me.

"This is merely a prediction of what an advanced country that might implement communism sometime in the future, as in, is not currency communist, but might be someday looks like"

In other words, marx is not describing a communist country, he's describing the prerequisites he believes there are for a communist country.

is a better version of that sentence.

You'll notice one of them even says "in the hands of the state" but it is well known that there is no state in communism... the state must wither away, and communism is the end point, therefore there is no state in communism.

They die from the billions he's keeping. If I donated 20$ it would impact me more than bill gates will be impacted through this act of generosity.