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[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 120 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (49 children)

Lol... Their ancestors only lived there after they ethnically cleansed the people who were already living there. They've been doing this crap for a long time.

Edit: to clarify, I'm talking about the Jewish people of Israel

[–] protist@mander.xyz 60 points 7 months ago (10 children)

When you say "they," are you referring to all humans throughout all of human history? Not conquering/displacing people is a much more recent international norm

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 35 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

More of a recent virtue signal we've been propagandized to believe, while continuing the conquering and displacement without skipping a beat.

While the west was writing the UN declaration of human rights, they were hard at work creating the state of Israel, directly denying Palestine their right to democracy and displacing a million of them.

At the end of WW2 America, and the rest of the anglo-allies, assisted France in trying to reclaim their colonies, rejecting hundreds of millions their "basic human right" to democracy; all of this went on for decades after the declaration was ratified, as if that meant anything.

Human rights don't apply as long as you are labelled a communist, terrorist, separatist, extremist, pedo, etc, etc. Then they can torture you in a black site all nice and legal.

Most of our history has been written by sociopathic criminals.

[–] protist@mander.xyz 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

If you look at the entirety of human history, genocides and displacements have objectively been at an all-time low since the end of WWII

[–] aquafunk@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 7 months ago

if you look at the entirety of human history, since WWII is a blink of an eye

fight complacency.

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[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 14 points 7 months ago (13 children)

According to the Bible, yes. Which is most likely not true. Remember that Zionism started as a secular movement, with religious people getting more (very) on board relatively recently

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[–] madthumbs@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

This is according to their own religious texts which can be found in the Bible as well. A religion of genocide that instructed on brutal racial slavery.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 83 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Zionism is inherently racist. This movement has nothing to do with Judaism. One of the greatest misdeeds of the Netanyahu regime - tho it pales in comparison to their other misdeeds - is to present their inhumane actions as the Jews' point of view. Israel's strategy in the last couple of year was to portray all completely justified criticism of Zionism, and especially of the state of Israel's inhumane approach to its realization, as anti-Semitism. There is no truth in this whatsoever. Zionism is not Judaism and the state of Israel does not stand for the Jews as a religious group - these days Israel only stands for a criminal regime that murders helpless people and breaks international law. This is not about religion, but about crimes against humanity committed by a sovereign state, by Israel, their criminal regime and all their henchmen.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 52 points 7 months ago (6 children)

A unified and stable middle east would be and would have been a global superpower with the ability to influence independent control over major global trade routes and energy supply.

This is why the Israel is and has been imperative to U.S. foreign policy.

[–] xenoclast@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Money, guns and oil baaaabbbbyyy. Everything else is propaganda and distractions

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 42 points 7 months ago (8 children)

The jewish people have never wholly owned that area. Persians, Arabs, and many other races have also always lived there. It’s literally in the bible.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Also remember that the bronze age Jews were not at all special among the tribes of the area, their story about themselves is aggrandizing fiction that all the tribes did, it's just the Jews' stories survived and became popular

Also bronze age. Those that left left so long ago, the only right they have to the place is military might and the legal right given based on lobbying and the racism of the law makers in question.

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[–] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 36 points 7 months ago (11 children)

Linus Torvalds - ban Israel developers from linux

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 points 7 months ago

Oh, shit, the Mossad would absolutely do that, huh

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 36 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No. The real reason is to keep an ally in the very Muslim middle east and because they believe that it's a prerequisite for the rapture.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

At this point, I don't think anyone involved believes in a loving God, or even a God that will punish sinners. Neither of them would want this.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 35 points 7 months ago (2 children)

"their ancestors"

The first Jews to move to Palestine were European Jews, they can't use the "our ancestors" card.

[–] IceBerg@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Dude, jews have been living in israel all throughout history. They've been forcefully expelled from the country by the various empires which have conquered it but there has always been a jewish presence in the land. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_and_Judaism_in_the_Land_of_Israel

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[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand. They're talking about Biblical era ancestors

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 30 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (16 children)

DNA tests show that their ancestors mostly have the same markers found in southern Italian or Sicilian populations.

If a Japanese converts to Judaism, can they claim that their ancestors used to live in Israel? Well, the same logic applies to the European Jews that moved to Israel. They then convinced Jews that are actual descendants of the Levant populations to move to Israel with them, but the first settlers didn't have Israeli ancestors, or didn't have more of them than any other Joe Schmo from Southern Italy

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[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 23 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

In addition to the first Israeli migrants being Europeans, they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land. The Muslim and Christian populations are mostly descendents from ancient Israelis that converted.

Israel is basically just the US, which is why they're such strong allies. They have the same roots.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

they displaced the actual indigenous population that was native to the land.

They also sterilized a bunch of Ethiopian and Mizrahi Jews, on the grounds that these non-European ethinic cohorts were having too many kids.

Incidentally, Israel government has been grappling with a big childlessness crisis which threatens to tank their Jewish population.

One big reason for the genocide in Gaza (which has been in effect since 2006, but recently hit a fevered pitch) is that - despite their best efforts - the Israeli government has failed to neuter the Palestinian population growth rate.

So much of Israeli policy boils down to white nationalist eugenics.

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[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Lol I thought this was a Mormon meme at first

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[–] lightscription@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Very good point.

Settler colonial re(de)colonize colony USA!

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ask for Manhattan back in exchange for returning the blankets and beads

[–] thesporkeffect@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Out of the kindness of my heart I will be donating smallpox blankets to the NYPD even if they don't return Manhattan

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 10 points 7 months ago

Don't I deserve to seize my childhood home, or the one I sold last week? no anti-semitic replies please.

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 8 points 7 months ago

Common hamid W

Fuck Israel and America

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