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Oh Capitan the ship is going down.. (lemmygrad.ml)
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[–] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't like his metaphor, please allow me to suggest another:

It's like one ship is a rusted out shit bucket that is falling apart because the first-class passengers and crew refuse to pay for maintenance and it is only afloat because of a large number of buoyant corpses in steerage and boiler room. And there is another ship that is much more modern, well designed, and maintained. The new ship could help the foundering rust bucket but instead the rust bucket is trying to ram the new ship hard enough to sink them both out of spite, obstinacy, and denial. Hopefully it will tear itself apart in the attempt before it can do so.

ever-given 🌊

[–] COMHASH@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I am sending some pirates to take over the rusty ship which will help the gentry rise over their overlords.

[–] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 years ago

[–] RedQuestionAsker2@hexbear.net 20 points 2 years ago

wtf-am-i-reading

It says we hit the iceberg decades ago

[–] WoofWoof91@hexbear.net 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

a great ship on the high seas, when the sextant is telling you you're going the wrong way but you keep going regardless until you slam into a sandbank and sink

[–] HaSch@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's 2023, there's no such thing as a sextant on board. It has GPS, satellite-aided early warning devices, 14-day weather forecasts, echo sounding systems and IR and UV cameras seeing through fog, and they STILL plug their ears and close their eyes and keep going through the incessant beeping and droning and wailing and blaring and flashing of a thousand red alerts

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Remember that US destroyer which had all this shit, military grade, and still managed to ram civilian ship in Malacca Strait and kill some of its own crew in the process?

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Tell me more, please

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

USS John McCain i kid you not

[–] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago

Seems strangely appropriate

[–] huf@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"boldly going forward cos we cant find reverse"

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

What do you mean we're about to wreck? Don't you see the water extending off into the distance.

Heat mirage? What are you talking about? I've never heard of such nonsense.

[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What a fucking loser.

[–] COMHASH@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Bro, he is not a loser though. He is anti war and has spoken against the Western military complex and presented multiple reports from Donbass and Iran. I hold no grudges against him.

[–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago

Ship of fools

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Well, I see lots of people (even socialists) that think that the path taken by the ship is good, it just needs socialism or whatever. Of course, my stance is that this path doesn't lead to socialism and a violent change of world order is necessary before it can achieved. Which might be true or false, but I see it's what you guys defend (edit: to clarify, you guys defend the same position as me, "my stance", not the first one I mentioned, "I see lots of people").

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Smugness is not a substitute for theory. Maybe instead of assuming you know what other people think, you try and find out instead.

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

You don't think a US-dominated unipolar world is a threat to socialism worldwide and must fall? And why don't you think that?

Edit 2: sorry, I realize my mistake. "I see it’s what you guys defend too" would have been a better wording, otherwise I imply that you are among the "even socialists" mentioned at the start.

Edit 1: Nvm I've been called a tankie on another instance, now this. Maybe I'm acting weird, that's all, I'll take good care of my health for a few days and come back. It would help me if you explained yourselves, but I understand if you don't.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We hate the US around here. We're not in favor of the US unipolar order. We also don't like people who say they are "left" but back the USA/NATO and parrot US propaganda about AES states. We get into arguements with people about that a lot, and sometimes we get called tankies for it. If you've found tourself getting called a tankie you might fit in with us

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Thank you. I've already requested a Lemmygrad account! Been lurking here for some time, but with the influx of new users I get insulted a lot more lol. So time to find a new home with you guys.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I think DamarcusArt took offense at the implication that socialists want the US to keep doing the same stuff. We most certainly do not want that. I think we're all on the same page here, actually

[–] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I was under the impression that this was a smug western leftist doing the standard "Acktually US hegemony is better." thing that they do. Very happy to be proven wrong.

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Oh, thanks for explaining, my bad. I've never been good with language... My intention was to complain that I see left-leaning people defending that stuff. To be clear, I do NOT believe that. I'm pretty disconnected from this community though and wanted to hear some related points of view. Maybe another time.

[–] pancake@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Sorry, stupid mistake. "I see it’s what you guys defend" refers to "my stance", not "even socialists". I'm so stupid that I had to ask a friend (with better English) to understand it. I've edited the original comment to reflect this.

[–] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 years ago

Hahaha don't sweat it, pancake Ralsei we've all been there